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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 16-Dec-18 13:42:26
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Re: Will AAISP be an early adopter of SOGEA


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
No, VM is pretty unique in that respect when you look around the world.

US cable was earlier, 1970s and 1980s and telephones were monopoly by the (original) AT&T.

In the UK it was Thatcher that saw a possible competition route for the (just) privatised BT by licensing cable firms to supply TV and phone. Her government also prohibited BT from supplying television services for quite a while.


Also DSL was never a competition as "central offices" are much further away from homes than UK exchanges. Leading to speeds between 256kbps and 512kbps as "normal". VDSL services now appearing slowly (e.g. the new AT&T's uVerse) compete for television revenue.

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Standard User farnz
(member) Mon 17-Dec-18 09:29:12
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Re: Will AAISP be an early adopter of SOGEA


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
They do now, using PacketCable to provide VoIP atop their DOCSIS data services.

But not the same as VM, whose predecessors installed both coax cable and voice-grade twisted pair, then used the twisted pair for ordinary PSTN.
Standard User farnz
(member) Mon 17-Dec-18 09:32:54
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Re: Will AAISP be an early adopter of SOGEA


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
A price reduction is unlikely - OR has already said in press releases that indicative pricing for SoGEA is the cost of the underlying GEA service plus MPF rental. That works out to around £5/year saving for AAISP, which is small enough that it's not worth passing on (better to use it to fund - e.g. - higher data allowances).

Even if OR sell SoGEA at slightly less than the indicated pricing, it's still going to be savings under £1/month; the real victory for AAISP will be that in an SoGEA world, there's one wholesale contact for all faults (as voice faults no longer exist - any fault in the GEA service is a broadband fault to Openreach) instead of having to split faults into voice and broadband faults.


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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 17-Dec-18 13:01:57
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.... a pair pinchers paradise

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 17-Dec-18 18:30:21
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".... a pair pinchers paradise" Dr Pepper

Hehe smile.

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Standard User DrPepper
(regular) Tue 18-Dec-18 08:08:43
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
".... a pair pinchers paradise" Dr Pepper

Hehe smile.


I thought it already was...
Standard User blueacid
(experienced) Tue 18-Dec-18 14:20:11
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Re: Will AAISP be an early adopter of SOGEA


[re: farnz] [link to this post]
 
I wonder if that's a victory as such; how many broadband faults are identified and cleared by reporting a corresponding voice line fault which is also causing issues on the broadband?

Certainly with the ADSL/VDSL services being sold as 'up to', this might be a regression. Certainly on the one hand, a saving of a few pounds per year per line might add up quite handsomely for any ISP, it's probably a nice crutch to fall back on currently.


Although to RobertoS's point about ditching the landline, I've ditched mine already. It's been 3 years or so since I got Hyperoptic, whereupon I cancelled all ADSL and Voice over my BT pair. Pretty sure there's no dialtone now. All of my voice comms are now via VoIP or mobile. However, I've got a dual-sim personal phone & a separate work phone; personal mobile is on EE, work on Vodafone, so for £10 of credit on a Pay as you go o2 sim living as a backup in the second sim slot on my personal phone, I'd say I'm probably fairly alright for voice communications!

Edited by blueacid (Tue 18-Dec-18 14:24:29)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 18-Dec-18 14:32:17
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But I've gone mobile-only. You still have landline broadband. It's a fibre optic line not a copper one, that's all.

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Standard User NJSS
(member) Tue 18-Dec-18 15:32:31
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[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
Thanks for the responses everyone.

It will be interesting to see how things develop over the next few years.

NJSS

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