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Standard User ajseeds
(newbie) Fri 07-Apr-17 12:13:40
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Central London ADSL Downgrade


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BT's downgrade to DSL speeds by closing exchanges and looping the pairs back to the last remaining exchange in an area continues. Chelsea (WRCHEL) closed last week and my broadband sync. rate went from over 14 Mb/s to 3.5 Mb/s with the pair looped back to South Kensington (WRSKEN). In the local area over the last few years we have lost Sloane Square (WRSLO), Belgravia (WRBEL), Earl's Court (WRECT), Warwick Road….. All replaced with luxury housing. The pavements are crammed with rent-free FTTC cabinets, so I can see the economic attraction, as I can see the attraction of forcing everyone to pay FTTC prices to get their broadband back. BTW Samknows is well behind on the exchange attrition with many deleted and redeveloped exchanges still shown. Are other areas affected by this?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 07-Apr-17 12:45:36
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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We have not updated our ADSL estimates for those exchanges yet, but as main focus is on superfast it is not a priority and not totally straight forward. Full closure is not expected until 2018 too. This is pretty rare.

As for paying FTTC prices, providers are being given low cost installs and six months free FTTC
https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/prici...

So if they aren't passing this onto the consumer then maybe questions need to be asked as to why not.

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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Fri 07-Apr-17 13:18:32
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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In reply to a post by ajseeds:
... The pavements are crammed with rent-free FTTC cabinets,



What do you mean by "rent-free"?


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Standard User AndyHCZ
(experienced) Fri 07-Apr-17 14:26:54
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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You live in one of the most expensive parts of the UK and don't want to pay a few extra pounds a month for FTTC?
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 07-Apr-17 14:31:49
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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Possibly the reason for that is due to living in one of the most expensive parts?

People who grew up in London or went to uni there may want to stay there but it doesn't mean they magically have more money but does mean they might need to cut back on other things that other areas of the country might be able to afford more easily.
Standard User AndyHCZ
(experienced) Fri 07-Apr-17 14:50:52
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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Sorry but if you can afford to live in an area where the average property price is over £2,000,000 (terraced houses over £4,000,000), then you either earn or have significantly more money than the average person.

We're talking £5-10 a month extra. This is nothing to someone who can afford to live in Kensington and Chelsea.

Edited by AndyHCZ (Fri 07-Apr-17 14:52:23)

Standard User ukhardy07
(knowledge is power) Fri 07-Apr-17 15:07:59
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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In reply to a post by AndyHCZ:
Sorry but if you can afford to live in an area where the average property price is over £2,000,000 (terraced houses over £4,000,000), then you either earn or have significantly more money than the average person.

We're talking £5-10 a month extra. This is nothing to someone who can afford to live in Kensington and Chelsea.
As a Londoner I disagree. Plenty of people earning around £2300 a month and paying £1500 to live in a 1 bed in Chelsea. Why, often because they grew up there and that's their home. For these people when transport is £150, and general living is expensive a compromise has to be made.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Fri 07-Apr-17 16:10:51)

Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 07-Apr-17 15:10:22
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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Agreed.

When rents are so high even people with good salaries may not have much left at the end of the month. Just because someone lives somewhere expensive does not mean they have lots of money (although obviously some do).

We could turn it the other way and ask what the point is of putting FTTC in to areas that have low house prices because obviously they must all be so poor that they couldn't afford it.

House price does not correlate with disposable income.
Standard User AndyHCZ
(experienced) Fri 07-Apr-17 15:32:44
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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Average income in Kensington & Chelsea is the highest of any area in the UK at over £160,000 a year.

There will not be many people living in Chelsea with next to no disposable income because it's "their home".
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 07-Apr-17 15:33:54
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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'Let's not forget a tonne of people in Chelsea cannot get fibre also'

So which cabinets on the Chelsea exchange do not have VDSL2 available? And which postcodes cannot get superfast on WRCHEL?

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