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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 07-Apr-17 16:14:57
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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Linked to offer page earlier and it runs to end of Sept 2017 currently

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Standard User Oliver341
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 07-Apr-17 16:15:59
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
When your landlord decides not to renew your lease you do not have much choice.

It's lucky then that Openreach could make alternative arrangements, but what if the landlord wished to evict Openreach from an exchange which was "critical"? What protection does Openreach have?

Oliver.
Standard User WilliamGrimsley
(experienced) Fri 07-Apr-17 16:16:55
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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Aha, didn't think of that. Bah, understood. Is this a common occurence then? I didn't realise there was a possibility of exchanges shutting down across the country. I guess when other operators decide to take on Openreach further and start to dominate the country's network infrastructure, there may not be as much of a need for exchanges.

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Standard User AndyHCZ
(experienced) Fri 07-Apr-17 16:52:30
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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You can only terminate a commercial lease when the tenant does not pay the rent or meet their obligations. BT will clearly pay the rent and meet its obligations.

Most BT exchange leases will be lengthy, 20-30+ years will not be uncommon.
Standard User Oliver341
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 07-Apr-17 16:59:26
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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But there may be exchanges where the landlord decides not to renew the lease and Openreach is not able to make alternative arrangements. What then?

Oliver.
Standard User AndyHCZ
(experienced) Fri 07-Apr-17 17:30:22
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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Commercial property is generally quite attractive with higher yields than residential property. Telephone exchanges are quite unique as they have a very limited audience that would want to lease them.

Negotiations over renewal will happen quite a long time before the lease is due to end. In 99.99% of cases, the landlord will renew the commercial lease with Openreach.

London is a bit different as some exchanges will have more re-development value than the yield from a lease. It's very rare to happen, but it's happened several times now in London. Openreach will have plenty of warning to make alternative arrangements.
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Fri 07-Apr-17 17:39:06
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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And in some critical cases BT own the property and it is not leased.

There was one, in London where BT wanted to sell off the above ground side and the purchasers had to agree that the existing basement and foundation needed to remain stable. Calculations demonstrated that if the building above was removed, the underground portion would rise by something like 200 to 400mm and that could result in the cables being severed! The sale did not go ahead.


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Standard User TheEulerID
(experienced) Fri 07-Apr-17 17:42:58
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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Even more reason then. But the principle holds. Exchanges will close, especially when voice services can be supported from cabinets.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 07-Apr-17 17:45:16
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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You only need to look at GEA handover locations to realise that the plan to move out of a large number of exchanges once voice is all IP based is just a case of when not if.

Though conversely with the growth of regional data centres there may be life for exchanges as nodes hosting CDN hardware to handle multicasting of TV and on demand without placing undue stress on core networks.

LLU suites in exchanges mean many are busier than they would be if LLU had never happened.

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Standard User TheEulerID
(experienced) Fri 07-Apr-17 17:50:11
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Re: Central London ADSL Downgrade


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Even if it was 20-30 years, it would still be an enormous problem given the many of thousands of exchanges. However, I seem to recall that when BT did that sell-off and lease-back arrangement back when they were in a financial hole after the 3G auctions and telco stocks crashed, that protection was built into the contracts as the regulator at the time (Oftel was it) insisted. I think there may also have been a few cases which were prior to that, and maybe this is one of them.

In any event, I doubt very much the government would stand by and see the country's comms network collapse because landowners felt they could get a better rate of return redeveloping buildings as flats or shops.
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