That sounds like a very good argument for splitting OpenReach completely away from the BT Group, which was the point Chrysalis and I were making.

Thanks .

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I'm getting fed up with this now,speeds have been spot on for the last few days back to normal speed tests were around 4 meg and bt site stated i can get upto 6meg.Speeds have gone bad and now bt site states i can only get 1.5meg now,so anyone tell me how the bt wholesale checker works cause they keep changing my speeds on there and then i guess aol chage my speed as well

Just try to get out of the new contract under the Distance Selling regulations, unless you have passed the limit.

You should never have accepted it.

Ride - having been taken for - you!

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will try to m8 but no matter where i go to surely it will be the same,seems when bt checker changes my speeds do as well

The BT database on expected speeds has no effect on anything, but it does seem odd it is varying in the way you say. Can you gives us a link to where you are looking, and/or copy and paste what it says (after editing out your phone number).

An ADSL Max line runs as fast as it can quite independently of any estimate. Which isn't saying the speeds cannot vary wildly.

Whatever you decide to do you need to get agreement you can leave without penalty, and a MAC sitting there so you can submit it to a new ISP within minutes if you decide to. Otherwise it could be too late to get out even if you want to.

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Edited by RobertoS (Tue 06-Jan-09 19:17:12)

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayCategory.do?categoryId=CON-TOTAL-BB-R1

For Telephone Number ****************** on Exchange ULVERSTON

We've just tested your line and can confirm your line supports the UK's most complete broadband package, BT Total Broadband. We estimate your maximum download speed to be 1.5 Mbps (Megabits per second).

The actual speed you get could be lower and is dependent on several factors such as whether you have any internal home wiring, our network management policy and the number of people using the Internet at the same time. Speeds are generally lower in the evening at peak times. You can find more information on all of these on bt.com/help.


Note: If you have an ISDN or Home Highway service connected to this number and you wish to purchase Broadband ADSL, this can be arranged through your Service Provider. You will only be able to keep one of your ISDN / Home Highway telephone numbers - generally you can choose any of your numbers but there are some rare exceptions. If you have an existing Broadband ADSL service and wish to change service providers then please contact both your new and existing service provider to have this service transferred.

Hmmm, should be reliable for estimates but I repeat that shouldn't affect your actual line performance. There used to be a generic BT estimator, not one for purely BT Total Broadband but i cannot find it at the moment. It would not necessarily give the same answer.

However - here's some interesting reading for you!

Also Distance Selling Regulations. Looks like you may be too late for that but you still need to sweet-talk your way out of the contract unless things have now gone right with your line. Even then I advise migrating if possible. See here.

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OK, Adamant has supplied the BT Wholesale estimator link.

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Edited by RobertoS (Wed 07-Jan-09 13:36:18)

Thanks m8,i don't no whats happening with these checkers my stated speeds are changing all the time,now your advice is to leave them and i'm looking at o2 at the moment.If i go through quidco i can claim £70 after 60 days but i'd have to pay £17 per month cause my exchange isn't llu by o2 yet but again tied for 12 months so not sure what to do here lol

Thought I'd note something else down. All this talk about BT and they increased their net debt by 1.4 billion in a quarter while buying back over 410 million of their own shares.

Not surprising they're so alledgedly broke and worried about ROI and all impoverished if they essentially borrow money to give to their shareholders. There's a quality way to run a business.

In reply to:

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Net debt was £11,028 million at September 30, 2008 compared with £9,618 million at September 30, 2007 and £9,460 million at March 31, 2008. This increase mainly reflects £1.4 billion invested in the share buyback programme and acquisitions over the past 12 months.

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They complain about possible ROI on a fibre deployment when they essentially throw billions down the toilet buying back shares just before they tank anyway. No wonder this company is underperforming pretty much every company in its' peer group, despite borrowing and spending 10 figures to prop up the share price.

Edited by Ignitionnet (Sun 18-Jan-09 19:35:39)