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Standard User JinxterX2
(experienced) Mon 22-May-06 15:50:52
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ST516v6 SNR Margin Tweaking 101


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My last words on the subject, lol


SNR

1. Signal-to-noise ratio is an engineering term for the power ratio between a signal (meaningful information) and the background noise.

2. When your modem attempts to negotiate ADSL it looks at the line and basically sees attenuation and noise put together. Attenuation gradually increases as frequency increases and noise is a random pattern of low level interference in the background.It's very similar to a conversation at a party and it's dealt with in the same way; we naturally account for both distance from the other person and the amount of background noise. When we do we don't just talk loud enough to be heard, we speak a bit louder waiting for the idiot with the stupid, loud laugh to start up again. We add a bit extra on to make sure we're louder than the average change in background noise. This is a SNR margin.

ST516v6

3. The SpeedTouch 5x6 products are ADSL2+ replacements for the SpeedTouch 510E, 536 and 510 switch models.

The 516v6 uses the Broadcom chipset, BCM6338 which is the cheaper, more integrated version of the BCM6348.

DMT Modem Tool

4. A nice bit of software (from Germany) that allows you to tweak and monitor certain models of Speedtouch routers (516 536 546 585 608 706 716 780).

Although this software is in German it can be switched to English via 'Extras>weitere Einstellungen' (Special>Misc. Options) and then initiating a program restart OR it will automatically switch to English if it detects a Annex A connection.

How do I use DMT Tool?

Use this picture as a reference

A. Fill in your login details and click Connect.
B. Click the modemoptions tab.
C. Untick default.
D. Tick modify.
E. Enter a value into option 00.
F. Click apply/resync, wait for the new sync and click save settings if you are happy with the result.
G. Click Refresh to confirm settings or check if telnet session is still active.

How does it work and what settings should I use?

Changing the value in modemoption00 increases or decreases the gain on the SNR margin across all the tones in the frequency range. Think of it as a volume control.

The settings you should use are highly dependant on your own line conditions and can only be determined through experimentation, however as a rough guide this is what I have discovered for my own situation:

Line length: 4.5Km
SNR Margin in DSLAM: 15db
Router Signal Attenutation: 46-49db

value* - margin
08 - 10db
10 - 10.5db
18 - 11db
20 - 11.5db
28 - 12db
30 - 12.5db
38 - 13db
40 - 13.5db
48 - 14db
50 - 14.5db
58 - 15db
60 - 15.5db
68 - 16db
70 - 16.5db
78 - 17db
80 - 17.5db

* - hexadecimal.

Why should I tweak?

Simple, to find the best performance vs stability level for your ADSL(MAX) line. Please note you must be realistic about the capabilities of your line. If you try and push the limits too far, your sync will fail when the line is exposed to large amounts of noise or interference, especially at nightime.

Example

I've made a small movie showing clearly the effects of tweaking the SNR margin and it's impact on high frequencies and tone bit loading.

Watch it here

You can download the DMT screenshots used in the movie from here.

Good luck and happy tweaking

Links to sources

1. Wikipedia
2. Whirpool
3. Speedtouch
4. DMT tool

I use firmware R6.1.0.5 on my router, you can get this here.

Jinx.

Edited by JinxterX2 (Mon 22-May-06 16:06:32)

Standard User JinxterX2
(experienced) Mon 22-May-06 19:07:49
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Re: ST516v6 SNR Margin Tweaking 101


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Result

Rock solid 5600Kbps connection @ 15db
Standard User JinxterX2
(experienced) Mon 22-May-06 19:32:13
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Re: ST516v6 SNR Margin Tweaking 101


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The latest DMT tool v7.09, just out of beta, now does SNR fluctuation per tone monitoring

Screenshot


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Standard User arfster
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 22-May-06 19:46:36
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Re: ST516v6 SNR Margin Tweaking 101


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Interesting - I wonder if it handles bitswapping properly.

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Standard User Banger
(knowledge is power) Mon 22-May-06 19:56:49
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Re: ST516v6 SNR Margin Tweaking 101


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That DMT tool is excellent even for us old 510v4 users as the auto monitor now handles 1 decimal place.

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Standard User JinxterX2
(experienced) Mon 22-May-06 20:06:02
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Re: ST516v6 SNR Margin Tweaking 101


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OMG I forgot to mention..big thanks to humm for first writing about DMT tool in the forum, ta
Standard User JinxterX2
(experienced) Mon 22-May-06 23:02:16
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Re: ST516v6 SNR Margin Tweaking 101


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Nice controlled margin drop during peak noise period, connection holding steady

Graph
Standard User yarwell
(legend) Mon 22-May-06 23:45:11
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Re: ST516v6 SNR Margin Tweaking 101


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what does that slider do ? is it an alternative to putting numbers in the boxes ?

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Standard User JinxterX2
(experienced) Mon 22-May-06 23:55:49
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Yes it is but you have no idea what number you're putting in if you use that slider, until you have done a resync, so it's useless really.

Edited by JinxterX2 (Tue 23-May-06 00:08:58)

Standard User JinxterX2
(experienced) Tue 23-May-06 03:04:38
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15+ hours uptime and 5600Kbps sync still going strong, this is pretty much at the limits of what my line is capable of, average SNR margin over the whole time period so far is 13db, not bad considering the target is 15db. Damn, just 100kbits short on my sync rate to qualify for a 5mbit Data Rate...hmmm..bit of fine tuning required I reckon

This graph pretty much says it all

Lowest margin: 8.5db

Edited by JinxterX2 (Tue 23-May-06 05:44:34)

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