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Standard User masrksp
(newbie) Sun 10-Jan-16 18:01:26
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Wireless Broadband advice Asus & Billion


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I'd very much like some informed opinions on a couple of router choices.

I run a small business and sometimes work from home and have just ordered superfast broadband VDSL2 (FTTC), upgrading from ADSL2.

I'm looking to replace my Billion BiPac 7800N rather than connect ewan to a separate VDSL2 modem which I will have to buy (my ISP Plusnet now provides self-install only, ie no modem).

I've considered using the Plusnet Hub One supplied (a rebadged Home Hub5) as a modem only. Whilst it's technically possible, it's time I don't want to spend and by all accounts the modem could be better.

My primary router requirements are;
- a rock-solid vdsl2 connection, supporting G.INP, with good performance
- good wireless performance and range (I live in a stone built house with very thick walls
- good wireless ac (I have clients which are ac ready)
- good Ip6 implementation

It'd be useful to be able to get line stats as I've had a number of issues using voip on this line (which now seem to be solved thanks to data monitoring on my line from my voip provider). In summary the ping times were very variable anywhere between 30ms up to 400ms. Smokeping highlighted this and focus plusnet into delivering solution. I'm aware I still get ping times up at 400ms in the early hours of the morning for some reason but this isn't a problem for me. Download speeds are consistently in the region of 17mbps.

A router with a good user interface and setup would be handy, but not a prime consideration as I'm reasonably network savvy (at least for IPv4).

I'm considering the following;
Billion BiPAC 8900AX-1600 R2
ASUS dsl ac68U

The Billion 8900 hasn't been released in the Uk but is supposedly imminent. It's the successor to the BiPAC 8800AXL which has been discontinued. The 8900 supposedly addresses the poor wifi performance/range of the 8800 and I assume it will have the same broadcom vdsl2 chipset.

My broadband goes live on the 20th Jan so my router decision may be made for me by virtue of router availability!

Any advice appreciated.

Many thanks
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 10-Jan-16 18:40:22
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A few points of information.

The Plusnet Hub One doesn't support G.INP anyway.

AIUI G.INP on ECI cabinets is only supported for downstream as opposed to both ways on Huawei. Do you know which you are on?

Good wireless in your building may be best achieved using one or more WAPS, possibly connected to the router by HomePlugs. Some HomePlugs also have built-in WAP.

Assuming you mean IPv6, Plusnet have a trial for that which is usually full. While I was on that trial there were also problems with some gateways not supporting it, and you could easily end up on one. I don't know if that has been fixed, but it was quite difficult to get back onto one that worked.

They are also starting to roll out a new network which is not IPv6 enabled, with no published plans or timescale.

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 10-Jan-16 19:42:01
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If money is no object then go for the Netgear D7800, arguably the best all in one VDSL2 router out there currently:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/D7800-100UKS-Nighthawk-Wirel...

If you want something a bit cheaper then the TP Link VR900 is your best bet for £125
http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-Archer-VR900-Beamfor...

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Standard User BrummyGit
(learned) Sun 10-Jan-16 22:37:40
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I have a similar setup to the one you are considering:

BT Infinity 2
Billion 8800NL
Asus RT-AC68U

I'm running Merlin Firmware on the Asus and the Billion in Modem mode.

I have rock solid VDSL connectivity with the Billion and the Asus is about as good as I could find for the Routing and WiFi performance. I particularly like the Asus adaptive QoS.
Standard User craski
(learned) Mon 11-Jan-16 07:43:10
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ISPReview just updated their recommendation for VDSL modem/routers if that is of any interest.
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2016/01/2016-up...

I have two Billion Bipac 8800 NLs. Used them both on ADSL lines and now one is on a VDSL line. They have worked great for me holding sync for months and seem to be fully supported by DSLStats. Their wifi isnt great but adequate but I use another wireless AP remote from the BT master socket to provide stronger/better wifi performance.

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Standard User Oldjim
(knowledge is power) Mon 11-Jan-16 14:22:07
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The Plusnet Hub One doesn't support G.INP anyway.
Reference please as I thought it supported G.INP at least on the downstream
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 11-Jan-16 14:26:13
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There does seem to be some confusion, I agree. You may be right.

The indispensable man or woman passes from the scene, and what happens next is more or less the same thing as was happening before.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 59997/15142kbps @ 600m. - BQM
Standard User BatBoy
(sensei) Mon 11-Jan-16 14:43:22
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In reply to a post by Oldjim:
The Plusnet Hub One doesn't support G.INP anyway.
Reference please as I thought it supported G.INP at least on the downstream
What makes you think that?
Standard User Oldjim
(knowledge is power) Mon 11-Jan-16 15:14:49
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Because the HH5 A supports it to a limited extent http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/11/uk-isp-...
http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,16450.msg304...
Standard User BatBoy
(sensei) Mon 11-Jan-16 16:00:13
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In reply to a post by Oldjim:
Because the HH5 A supports it to a limited extent http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/11/uk-isp-...
http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,16450.msg304...
There's no evidence there of G.INP support, only opinion. No facts.

That facts are that ECI cabinets don't offer G.INP and ECI modems don't support G.INP.

Edited by BatBoy (Mon 11-Jan-16 16:01:26)

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