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Standard User hypertony
(experienced) Thu 26-Jan-17 08:14:25
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Which modem to go for...


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Hi all,

Currently using BT HHv5 and I am looking to redesign the whole network setup.

Took delivery of UniFi USG and also AP Pro yesterday and I am looking to replace the BT HHv5 with the aim of an 'modem only' setup (i.e. turn off other settings, leaving just modem feature)

After researching, I have narrowed down to the following:

* Technicolor TG582n (currently have it in storage)
* HG612 3b (will need to get one)

Question is... which one is better? Ideally, I am looking for a modem with strong up/download speed with little or no reboots.

Or is there something else that I should be looking at?

Thanks,

- Tony Sutton
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(staff) Thu 26-Jan-17 09:50:51
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ADSL2+ or VDSL2

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Standard User hypertony
(experienced) Thu 26-Jan-17 09:56:38
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Oops. VDSL2

Thanks.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 26-Jan-17 10:30:08
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TG582n does not have a VDSL2 modem in it

So HG612 then other options are

Vigor 130 though is not cheap at £80

The one I use is the
TP-Link W9970 which can be used as modem in bridge mode or a all-in-one device, and is around £36

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Standard User hypertony
(experienced) Thu 26-Jan-17 10:41:40
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For some reasons, I thought the TG582n can do both ADSL & VDSL2, my bad.

I guess this make things easier now, looks like HG612 is the winner then.

Cheers.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 26-Jan-17 10:45:58
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I think the HG612 is likely to gave lower sync speeds, on Huawei cabs at least, than more modern kit.

ZyXel, Draytek and Billion all show Attainable 5-7Mbps higher than my two HG612s. Unfortunately my current banding stops me knowing what would happen if it wasn't there, so I can't guarantee it.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 26-Jan-17 10:52:46
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Problem with the Vigor 130 is that it has no Ethernet LAN port, unlike the HG612. So getting in-flight stats is a problem. From what I read, some Draytek routers may be able to interrogate it through the WAN connection and display the stats.

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Standard User panda
(committed) Thu 26-Jan-17 13:05:47
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Problem with the Vigor 130 is that it has no Ethernet LAN port, unlike the HG612. So getting in-flight stats is a problem.
I haven't tried the V130, but certainly with other Vigor models (V100 & V120) I've been able to interrogate the modem via the same Ethernet cable used for the WAN.

You need make sure the modem address is within a different subnet to your LAN, then add a route to direct traffic destined for the Modem address to use the WAN port - but outside of the PPP session (which will be the default gateway).

Whether your router allows to to add a route I don't know, but on *nix something like:
ip route add 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0
can be used, where 192.168.1.0/24 is the subnet of the modem and eth0 is the WAN interface of your router.

[Edit typo]

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Edited by panda (Thu 26-Jan-17 13:34:29)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 26-Jan-17 13:21:13
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With what router between you and the Vigor?

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Standard User panda
(committed) Thu 26-Jan-17 13:26:55
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A self-built Smoothwall box.

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Standard User SettleJohn
(newbie) Thu 26-Jan-17 13:40:53
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I have the Vigor 130 and Asus router and access to Vigor stats through router, no settings changed on router other than enabling Bridge mode as recommended for BT TV and setting IP of router to 192.168.1.2
WAN settings: disable get IP automatically and setting ip address to 192.168.2.10
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway 192.168.2.1

The V130 gives around 5mb more than the HG612
John
Standard User BatBoy
(sensei) Thu 26-Jan-17 13:58:56
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In reply to a post by SettleJohn:
setting IP of router to 192.168.1.2
...
Default Gateway 192.168.2.1
So the default gateway is not the router?
Standard User SettleJohn
(newbie) Thu 26-Jan-17 14:13:49
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No the Vigor 130 Modem 192.168.2.1
John
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 26-Jan-17 14:18:39
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I don't think there is sufficient info there to know how things are set up.

Vigor 130 in UK default bridge mode, so acting purely as a modem >> ASUS router in bridge mode for some reason to do with BT TV >> somewhere.

Where is your router? You also seem to be setting the ASUS to two different LAN address simultaneously. Or is one of those settings some other router?

In other words, I can't understand what you are saying at all smile. My setup was Vigor in default modem mode >> ASUS RT-N66U. Stats not available through the router, only by disconnecting the two and connecting a computer to the socket and (best) go in through telnet.

I'm pleased to see you confirm the better sync with the Vigor than the HG612, which was my main reason for suggesting the HG612 may not be ideal these days.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 26-Jan-17 14:19:52
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In reply to a post by SettleJohn:
No the Vigor 130 Modem 192.168.2.1
John
So is that in combo modem/router mode doing your LAN DHCP?

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Edited by RobertoS (Thu 26-Jan-17 14:20:57)

Standard User SettleJohn
(newbie) Thu 26-Jan-17 15:27:39
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Sorry donít know how to inset screen shots

Vigor 130 in default bridge mode acting purely as a modem

Asus AC88U

Asus Lan configured as IP Address 192.168.1.2 with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
Asus Wan IP Setting:
Get the wan ip automatically: No
IP Address: 192.168.2.10
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 255.255.255.0

Special Requirement From ISP:
Set to Yes

Edited by SettleJohn (Thu 26-Jan-17 15:28:42)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 26-Jan-17 15:43:58
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If the Vigor was in bridge mode, then setting the WAN IP manually like you are doing looks very like no PPPoE is being used, or is this for JUST when you want to access the modem stats?

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Standard User SettleJohn
(newbie) Thu 26-Jan-17 15:45:59
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Hi RobertoS Iím on a learning curve here I have uploaded images to Photobucket and hopefully linked to them.

Vigor 130
Standard User Apprentice
(knowledge is power) Thu 26-Jan-17 15:46:28
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Sorry donít know how to inset screen shots

Upload the image to a free hosting site and follow the insructions, you can then add the appropriate link to your tbb post.

Have a look here for sites.

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Standard User SettleJohn
(newbie) Thu 26-Jan-17 15:51:14
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Asus basic Config:
Wan connection Type: PPPoE
Enable Wan: Yes
Enable NAT: Yes
Enable UPnP: No

John
Standard User SettleJohn
(newbie) Thu 26-Jan-17 15:55:26
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is this for JUST when you want to access the modem stats?


No this setting is used all the time
Standard User panda
(committed) Thu 26-Jan-17 16:05:52
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In reply to a post by SettleJohn:
Asus basic Config:
Wan connection Type: PPPoE
Enable Wan: Yes
Enable NAT: Yes
Enable UPnP: No
So it isn't acting as a bridge?

I'm guessing the Asus WAN interface may usually be unnumbered when using PPP, but by assigning it a static address within the same subnet as the modem, this also creates a route so the modem becomes reachable.

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Standard User BatBoy
(sensei) Thu 26-Jan-17 16:11:04
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In reply to a post by SettleJohn:
Hi RobertoS Iím on a learning curve here I have uploaded images to Photobucket and hopefully linked to them.

Vigor 130
Are all these screen shots from the Vigor only or are there some Asus ones mixed in there too?
Standard User SettleJohn
(newbie) Thu 26-Jan-17 16:17:45
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Both
Standard User SettleJohn
(newbie) Thu 26-Jan-17 16:19:56
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Sorry for my ignorance panda Iím not up in IT at 69 and a novice in broadband and internet I used to swop the wan cable Modem to Router and for stats Modem to PC so started experimenting with trial and lots of errors I have it set up so I just call the vigor up on 192.168.2.1
John
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 26-Jan-17 16:25:15
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I think that may be the result of this configuration, another option is to manually specify a route in the routing table of the Asus

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Standard User BatBoy
(sensei) Thu 26-Jan-17 16:27:00
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Oh I see, the first 2 are the Vigor and the next 4 are the Asus. Very confusing wink
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