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Standard User ImranQ
(learned) Sat 27-Jan-18 09:57:10
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Need a good DSL router


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Hi Folks,
My WNDR3700 seems to be conking out - it keeps deciding to reboot randomly a few times a day. I was therefore looking for a good replacement. The most important aspect is that I need to have good WiFi coverage as we have a large house and sometimes the signal doesn’t get to the other side! Other features such as an access control list etc would also be good.
I don’t need a modem as I want to continue using the open reach modem.
Finally, as long as the router is good I would be willing to pay upto £250. So, any recommendations ?
Thank you,
Imran
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 27-Jan-18 10:49:28
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If happy with Netgear and their web interfaces, the Netgear Nighthawk range is pushing the wireless capabilities

http://amzn.to/2ng6nkg £129.99 for NETGEAR R7800-100UKS Nighthawk X4S with Mimo so better wireless speeds for modern devices and all important dual band with 802.11ac

The beamforming may also help improve the range, beyond the benefit of 4 external antenna which will give a fun hour in terms of tweaking to get the furthest possible reach.

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 27-Jan-18 11:35:09
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As Mr S has suggested you should go for the Netgear R7800. At 129.99 its a great price for what is arguably the best standalone router around for wifi coverage - it normally retails around the 200 mark. Other routers in the same class are the Synology RT2600AC, Netgear R9000 (expensive!) and TP Link C3150 but the R7800 just pips them for wifi.

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Standard User ImranQ
(learned) Sat 27-Jan-18 13:34:24
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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
As Mr S has suggested you should go for the Netgear R7800. At 129.99 its a great price for what is arguably the best standalone router around for wifi coverage - it normally retails around the 200 mark. Other routers in the same class are the Synology RT2600AC, Netgear R9000 (expensive!) and TP Link C3150 but the R7800 just pips them for wifi.


Thanks for the suggestions guys. I did have my eye on this router but was put off by ‘mixed’ reviews. I’ve seen people complaining that this router suffers from problems such as disconnects. Not sure if the complainers are just incompetent or not. Infact it seems there are complaints with just about every router so maybe these people are just not tech savvy.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 27-Jan-18 13:43:33
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In reply to a post by ImranQ:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
As Mr S has suggested you should go for the Netgear R7800. At 129.99 its a great price for what is arguably the best standalone router around for wifi coverage - it normally retails around the 200 mark. Other routers in the same class are the Synology RT2600AC, Netgear R9000 (expensive!) and TP Link C3150 but the R7800 just pips them for wifi.


Thanks for the suggestions guys. I did have my eye on this router but was put off by ‘mixed’ reviews. I’ve seen people complaining that this router suffers from problems such as disconnects. Not sure if the complainers are just incompetent or not. Infact it seems there are complaints with just about every router so maybe these people are just not tech savvy.


Nah, you won't have any issues with disconnects. Its uses top end Qualcomm radios which are rock solid. Its the # 1 ranked router on smallnetbuilder.com for wifi range and coverage.

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Standard User ImranQ
(learned) Sat 27-Jan-18 13:52:49
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Ok thanks! Just ordered using the link Andrew gave.

Thanks again guys.
Standard User NilSatisOptimum
(committed) Sat 27-Jan-18 17:22:39
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I posed similar question and both baby_frogmella and MrSaffron recommend the nighthawk, and it was what I purchased, it has been flawless.
Moreover, as I did not say thank you at the time, many thanks, to the aforementioned!

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Standard User jaydub
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 28-Jan-18 18:16:16
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We have a long thin house something like 40' x 20' and the master socket is in one corner downstairs.

By the time you get to our daughter's bedroom the 5G signal is non-existent and the 2.4G signal is weak.

Are we likely to see a significant improvement with the Netgear R7800?

Running Ethernet cables to another location in the house is an absolute no-no and people's experience with Powerline adaptors seems to be a bit hit and miss, so it would seem the choices are Expensive mesh, cheaper mesh (e.g BT Whole Home Wifi or Google WifI) or trying the 7800.

I was actually considering the Netgear Orbi or Linksys Velops, but the R7800 is a much more cost effective option if it will do the job.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 28-Jan-18 22:24:20
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The R7800 should easily cover a 40x20 area, definitely worth giving it a shot.

If you use one of the high powered 1000mw 5ghz channels on the R7800 (eg 120) which is a DFS channel - legal in Blighty - then you’ll get even better range on theR7800. On the downside the router will automatically change the DFS channel if it clashes with another radar channel so probably not a good idea if you live near an airport/airfield.

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Standard User jaydub
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 29-Jan-18 00:02:29
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You snooze, you lose.

Amazon price now £152.98!

Should have just gone for it!!
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 29-Jan-18 04:11:56
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In reply to a post by jaydub:
You snooze, you lose.

Amazon price now £152.98!

Should have just gone for it!!

I wouldn't worry too much, Amazon's prices for the R7800 have been going up & down more frequently than a hooker's panties...sooner or later it will back to the £120-£130 range.

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 29-Jan-18 09:41:03
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There's a third party seller on Amazon selling a brand new R7800 for £127, grab it before they jack up the price

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B01B4X503S...

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Standard User DougM
(member) Mon 29-Jan-18 10:21:49
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Indeed. I use and recommend The Tracktor to research historical lows and set price alerts:

https://thetracktor.com/detail/B01B4X503S/uk/

As an example of this site's power, last year I managed to get a 1TB SanDisk Ultra II SSD for £140 versus the current price of £250. It was reduced for only a few hours, direct from Amazon.

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Standard User K3V1N_R
(newbie) Mon 29-Jan-18 14:27:56
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Although this router Netgear R7800 does not have a VDSL modem built in assuming you need one if not it good to go.
Standard User jaydub
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 30-Jan-18 08:34:24
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Too late again.

I'll just keep an eye on Amazon and wait for a price drop.
Standard User jaydub
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 30-Jan-18 09:12:29
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Not come across The Tracktor before. I'm guessing it only tracks once every 24 hours as it is still showing a price of £129.99.

I'll certainly give it a whizz, although looking at the historical trend, the sub-£130 price appears to come along once in a blue moon and the current Amazon price of £152.50 is actually below the long term average.
Standard User TheFunkySpy
(knowledge is power) Tue 27-Feb-18 18:16:52
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My Asus RT-N66U feels a little long in the tooth. Wireless is seemingly less solid than in the past.

Is the Nighthawk a good like for like replacement? Range and reliability are top in my criteria.

Also pondering if a mesh set-up might be better as router is stuck up one end of long bungalow.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 27-Feb-18 18:36:23
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In reply to a post by TheFunkySpy:
My Asus RT-N66U feels a little long in the tooth. Wireless is seemingly less solid than in the past.

Is the Nighthawk a good like for like replacement? Range and reliability are top in my criteria.

Also pondering if a mesh set-up might be better as router is stuck up one end of long bungalow.

The Netgear R7800 will be considerably better than the Asus RT-N66U for wifi range. Btw the R7800 is currently priced £137 at Amazon which is still quite a good price.

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Standard User TheFunkySpy
(knowledge is power) Tue 27-Feb-18 18:53:47
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Ok, at it's most extreme I probably need a 20m range with handful of walls.

I take it the 2.4Ghz flakey-ness reported in reviews has been improved with firmware?

Since it's Amazon, it could easily go back if I don't see results.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 27-Feb-18 19:48:23
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Both 2.4 and 5ghz radios are rock solid on the R7800 and as you say the router can be returned to Amazon for a full refund if you're not happy with its performance. You've nothing to lose smile

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Standard User TheFunkySpy
(knowledge is power) Tue 17-Apr-18 13:07:13
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Following up on this. . .

Been trying the X4S over the last 24 hours and there's no discernible improvement. One device marginally faster on 2.4, however, two Apple devices both noticeably slower. Range is really no different.

Hard to justify the purchase on that basis. It's going back.

What achieved an improvement was fully disconnecting the Asus (power supply and all). Then, later during testing, hooking it up again. I think the short rest did it good! Speed and range appear to have returned to where they've been in the past.

Anyway, doesn't solve the dead spot. So I'm thinking of getting a powerline with Wifi clone feature.
Standard User TheFunkySpy
(knowledge is power) Fri 27-Apr-18 19:18:53
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Another follow up:

I settled on the Asus AC86U. Bought it to compare with the R7800. While the range isn't massively different I felt it was an improvement over the Netgear on both bands.

Also since having owned the N66U I'm extremely comfortable with the interface. Smart Connect appears ATM to be beneficial (though it keeps choosing poorer 2.4Ghz channels), AiProtection too. AiMesh may be a killer feature if they bring out mini APs

I'll tinker further down the line when I expect I'll upgrade the firmware to Merlin.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Sat 28-Apr-18 08:14:22
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The Asus RT-AC86U is a very good router but it only has 3x3 streams on the 2.4 GHz band whereas most top end routers are 4x4 on both 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands. TBH I'm surprised you didn't find the wifi range on the Netgear R7800 any good as everyone raves about the R7800 on the SNB forums even Tim Higgins himself.

Anyway the RT-AC86U isn't a bad choice at all, its especially useful for running OpenVPN on it - its been reported to give OpenVPN speeds in excess of 200 Mbps on FTTP/cable connections.

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Standard User TheFunkySpy
(knowledge is power) Sun 29-Apr-18 13:01:59
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Well there's a combination of factors in play. The house is a long bungalow with thick brick walls. Realistically there's only two places for the router to go. First is by a big granite chimney (forget it!). Second, is in a home office/studio at the other far end, with another thick wall to get through before it goes anywhere.

The AC86U was just slightly better at getting through the mountains of brick! As I said margins weren't huge but the Asus' value adds won the day

I went off the idea of a standard mesh set-up since, AFAICT, none can be controlled/set-up via desktop browser. Plus, they are a little lacking when it comes to additional features.

There's a couple of issues I need to work on. Asus Smart Connect isn't super smart and I've found my Honor (Huawei) phone can get stuck with 'Network Access Denied' message on 2.4GHz due to auto channel selection. As I'm finding out Huawei phones are a little eccentric when it comes to wireless!

I've still got a borderline dead spot. Until Asus bring out a cheap(er) AP option for AiMesh, a powerline with WiFi cloning option looks the best stop gap.
Standard User Malwaremike
(committed) Sun 29-Apr-18 14:33:15
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Our 50-yr-old house is built in four-inch concrete block throughout, outer skin rustic brick, no dry walls or today's lightweight thermo-blocks. Even picture-hooks require an impact drill and a good bit. Wi-fi (HH2, TG582, Billion 7800NXL) just about penetrates one internal wall. Solution three years ago was a couple of Devolo mains extender units, giving full signal everywhere.
Standard User adrenalize_
(newbie) Sun 29-Apr-18 22:48:46
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The Asus AC68U supports AiMesh and you can often pick then up for £50 second hand.
I've run one in AP mode wired to the main router for a while and its rock solid, but it should work in Wi-Fi AiMesh.

I need to have a play with AiMesh, should do backhaul over ethernet too (my preference as my AC88U is only dual band), but I need to revert my FW to Asus stock as not supported in Merlin FW.
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