In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

ADSL in the UK which launched in 2000 was ALWAYS available as wholesale. In 1998 and 1999 the trials were small (i..e a few hundred households) and not commercial service.

TalkTalk started in 2006, Sky was a couple of years later.

Sky purchased easynet in 2005 and set up as an ISP in 2006.

It cost them £211million to buy and they sold Easynet off for £100million 5 years later.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

ADSL in the UK which launched in 2000 was ALWAYS available as wholesale. In 1998 and 1999 the trials were small (i..e a few hundred households) and not commercial service.

TalkTalk started in 2006, Sky was a couple of years later.

Tiscali was still trading until sometime in 2008, and talk talk although it may have been trading then wasn't rolled out on a national basis, because Tiscali still operated the LLU infrastructure that tt bought , Although tiscali LLU was hit and miss back then too, most of their ADSL was via BTwholesale So only offered a 2.2Mbit (capped) or ADSL upto 8mbit max products
talk talk

Ticali uk Same address and still trading

Edited by tommy45 (Tue 22-May-12 17:37:34)

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

TBH, I don't want to touch BT again, even the thought of using their fibre network puts me off. With the problems i had with Bt with ADSL, I want to stay as far away as possible.

I had the same attitude for about 10 years, last time I was with BT was way back in dial up days and that resulted in a 467 page bill so its fair to say our relationship didn't end well.

I have been around all the smaller providers since then like Nildram, Eclipse and Aquiss but in the end when I changed to FTTC BT's offering was just too good to resist compared to the prices offered by the smaller ISP's.

After a year with a small FTTC isp I knew I would be sacrificing quality on the customer service front moving to them as BT's can be very random but their actual connection and the network has proven to be top notch.

Sorry but you are wrong.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4125-tiscali-bran...

TalkTalk bought Tiscali in 2009. But TalkTalk launched its own full LLU based service in 2006, while Tiscali was another competitor.

Tiscali UK may well still be trading, and not sure what you wanted to show in companies house as the link did not work.

So they did, my head had it slotted in as 2007, so a year out.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/2852-sky-results-...

TalkTalk had grown quicker though as by Nov 2007 they had 2.5m customers

As a small ISP we have to simply pass activation costs on at cost so if Openreach charge an install fee we have to pass it on. There is little margin we make per month per connection so it would take us several years just to break even if we did not charge the install fee at cost. If Openreach gave free installation we would pass it on.

In reply to a post by Adsl24:

As a small ISP we have to simply pass activation costs on at cost so if Openreach charge an install fee we have to pass it on. There is little margin we make per month per connection so it would take us several years just to break even if we did not charge the install fee at cost. If Openreach gave free installation we would pass it on.

I understand that and this is the problem again, larger companies are once again able to drop prices and make a loss on connections, also sell their services for dead cheap prices, as others have said here to sell other services, some you have no choice to take their services, .

Talk Talk, Bt and sky now force people to take their phone service if they want their broadband, be it ADSl or fibre.

something is very wrong in this country, i wanted a time where we could just get a naked line, and not bother with one for voice, I thought maybe with fibre we would get it, but it have gone backwards now.

The problem is people want faster speed, but they don't want to pay a lot more for it, so big companies are once again going to win.

As much as I like ADSL24, if I was going fibre, I could not justify the £100 connection fee and the higher price per month for less data usage. i try to support the smaller companies, which is why I buy my meat from a butchers, my milk from a milkman that gets it from a local dairy, my bread when I can I get from a local bakery. Prices are getting higher, things are getting more difficult, my wages are low and this city is expensive to live in.


but at the moment I have no desire to go for fibre when it comes here, but that could change at some point.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by Adsl24:

As a small ISP we have to simply pass activation costs on at cost so if Openreach charge an install fee we have to pass it on. There is little margin we make per month per connection so it would take us several years just to break even if we did not charge the install fee at cost. If Openreach gave free installation we would pass it on.

I understand that and this is the problem again, larger companies are once again able to drop prices and make a loss on connections, also sell their services for dead cheap prices, as others have said here to sell other services, some you have no choice to take their services, .

Talk Talk, Bt and sky now force people to take their phone service if they want their broadband, be it ADSl or fibre.

something is very wrong in this country, i wanted a time where we could just get a naked line, and not bother with one for voice, I thought maybe with fibre we would get it, but it have gone backwards now.

The problem is people want faster speed, but they don't want to pay a lot more for it, so big companies are once again going to win.

As much as I like ADSL24, if I was going fibre, I could not justify the £100 connection fee and the higher price per month for less data usage. i try to support the smaller companies, which is why I buy my meat from a butchers, my milk from a milkman that gets it from a local dairy, my bread when I can I get from a local bakery. Prices are getting higher, things are getting more difficult, my wages are low and this city is expensive to live in.


but at the moment I have no desire to go for fibre when it comes here, but that could change at some point.

I understand and share your ideal of having a naked line but the truth is that the cost to provision a voice service is small and line rental would need to be required regardless..

& I wish I had your 'local' support however I just cannot justify the local butchers prices, the dairy etc. Sad but true that the world we live in is dominated by the few large successful companies. TESCO for instance get 95 % of my shopping business.

Perhaps the smaller providers should take a similar option of offering bundled services.

I honestly think that providers are in many cases making a loss however overall making a profit. E.g. Sky. I find it hard to understand a truly unlimited service at £7.50... They must be making losses with some customers. Bundling isn't all too bad. It does give us the service cheaper overall. & In a way it does highlight how expensive things would be if they were not bundled.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

So they did, my head had it slotted in as 2007, so a year out.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/2852-sky-results-...

TalkTalk had grown quicker though as by Nov 2007 they had 2.5m customers

The links expired well these new ones will work Talk talk group ltd Tiscali uk

Well said Orly
My sentiments entirely common sense really.