I do. Therefore the copper between cab and exchange would not be required, only the copper between cab and customer.

Doubtless it would happen, but it might well reduce openreach's liability for expensive repair costs, with less in the chain to go wrong..

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

larger companies are once again able to drop prices and make a loss on connections,

You think BT are making a loss on their charging model?

Might want to peruse their annual statements where you see BT Retail making more profit year on year.

lol.

Edited by orly (Tue 29-May-12 15:01:22)

That is the most frustrating part, especially as James stated it would be available within 14 days.

So it ends up being over 2 months late now, in the 80/20 trial thread James said it would be available from them as soon as Openreach launched it.

...... how would an engineer know that your 'naked' service wasn't just a spare pair ?

I thought they already had units that would detect a line that's in use without a dial tone. Am I mistaken there?

I thought they already had units that would detect a line that's in use without a dial tone. Am I mistaken there?

The new 'blue butts' have a digital services warning on them, and there used to be a 'digital sniffer' but that's not how you tap through a joint looking for a spare.

There's enough trouble with SDSL pairs getting nicked by engineers, due to no dialtone on the line.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

That would be an even more costly product I suspect, the ISP's have to recoup their costs, so the margin would be slimmer on a 'naked' service, therefore they would be obliged to charge more.

You doubtless pay more for your bread, milk, and meat, because you choose to buy them from smaller outlets, are you raising similar questions on Thinkcheese.com, I wonder ?

I pay more for my bread, meat and milk because I get a better product but the cost difference is not huge, in fact the bread I buy is only 10p more the stuff that comes out of supermarkets ovens.

Granted Milk is a fair few pence more, but then it is delivered as well.

Meat much better quality from butchers than what supermarkets push out.

But with broadband it still comes down the same wires, the main difference is how the provider mucks about with it and also customer service.

i have said before, I don't mind paying a bit extra for a decent service other wise I would not be with the provider I am with, there are plenty around that is cheaper than the just under £20 a month i pay at the moment.

Would not a mobile service better meet your needs, no line rental to pay ?

No, how do you make that out? Using a mobile service with the Wii and Ps3 would be expensive if not difficult.

In reply to a post by orly:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

larger companies are once again able to drop prices and make a loss on connections,

You think BT are making a loss on their charging model?

Might want to peruse their annual statements where you see BT Retail making more profit year on year.

lol.

BT will not be making a loss as they are the most expensive large supplier, I suppose they are making a loss when they offer it to people cheap for three months, but then they stick you on a long contract, so that makes up for it.


Sky makes their money from TV, Broadband is just a way to keep people, i doubt they are making that much money form £7 a month. Talk Talk no doubt makes most of their money of phone calls.

In reply to a post by Cobra001:

you not being force to get their products, you are free to use any other provider of service that meets your requiment.

If you can find one at a decent price.

making things cheaper when yoou buy more is standard everywhere, be in 2 for 3 or reduce unit price when you 10 ext, or even a certain % off when you spend so much.

It is not just the fact of offering it cheaper, I can understand that, but they don't give you a choice, you want Bt sky or Talk Talk broadband, then you have to have their phone service.

Offering internet at a cheaper price when you take anopther service follows that same logic if you buying 2 service off me I have 2 cance to make prodift, therefore instead of wanting to make 10 profit per user per product I will happily only make 7£ but as you buying 2 service that mean £14 profit from you.

but I can still buy one service off you and not bother with the other even if it costs more.

However If i was inchard I would offer single product but at a mark up, i.e. if you don't tike out line rental add £2.50 to the monthly fee if you don't take our call plan at £5. Bit like sky currently does for their ADSL

but you still got to take Sky line rental.