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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Mon 18-Feb-13 22:21:24
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FTTPoD Pricing


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FTTPoD now appears in the BT Wholesale Price List.

ECCs = Excess Construction Charges, prices here.

KCI2 = Keeping Customers Informed 2 - this is how Openreach communicate the quote to BT Wholesale, etc.

At 500m you're looking at a bill of at least £2,700 including VAT. £600 install and £2,100 for blown fibre in ducting.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 18-Feb-13 22:28:53
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Have you costed that at 500m of ducting at 4.20 per m?

Given that all but the last 60 metre would be shared - the sum is not that simple, and I believe the Charge Bands 0 to 5 apply.

Now looking for definition of the bands

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Mon 18-Feb-13 22:37:42
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Have you costed that at 500m of ducting at 4.20 per m?

Given that all but the last 60 metre would be shared - the sum is not that simple, and I believe the Charge Bands 0 to 5 apply.

Now looking for definition of the bands


No, I costed it at 500m of blown fibre in an already present duct.

EDIT: New ductwork starts at 42.0 per metre.

The charge bands don't mean anything - they're the costs a customer is willing to pay and if the quote goes above the authorised charge band Openreach will inform Wholesale via ECI 2 to check before proceeding.

ECC banding gives you the power to pre-authorise an acceptable ECC limit on a per order basis in order to avoid unnecessary delay.
Once a band is selected, if the level of banding is sufficient to cover the order, we will proceed with it.


These are the same bands as used for WLR and can be found here.

Edited by Ignitionnet (Mon 18-Feb-13 22:39:41)


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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 18-Feb-13 22:40:43
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But given its PON and not Point to Point, the first person is not paying for all the excess costs.

first person would probably need 440m blowing, and then the final 60m to them. Thus one could expect the costs of the 440m to be split between possible take-up.

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Mon 18-Feb-13 22:44:34
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But given its PON and not Point to Point, the first person is not paying for all the excess costs.

first person would probably need 440m blowing, and then the final 60m to them. Thus one could expect the costs of the 440m to be split between possible take-up.


I'm not convinced Openreach will make any assumptions over take up - why would they? The first customer to order will need 500m of ECC, so why would they not be charged that full ECC cost?

I see your point though - you question whether the customer would be charged the full cost from AN to customer or just their drop.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 18-Feb-13 22:53:27
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A bit more than was being suggested then.

Only - I don't understand the difference between the "fixed connection" row which invokes the ECCs and the "Migration" row which doesn't. Those two lines also have an oddity regarding the minimum term.

The £63.60pm line rental is a bit hefty, as presumably MSIL capacity charges also need to be considered before end-user pricing is determined by the ISP.

The ECC charges there that you highlight refer to "Charge bands". Is the jump from there to the £2700 you give coming from KCI2, as the ECCs document you link to doesn't mention them. It just works on metre lengths.

Edit - "Strike" because of the posts that occurred during replying to the OP.

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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Mon 18-Feb-13 23:00:40
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and a 36 month minimum contract

If I had no phone line, could I claim the first £3400 exemption from excess construction costs for the USO phone line in requesting a FTTPoD line (tongue in cheek)

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 18-Feb-13 23:07:55
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Why? Because that is what I've been told in discussions

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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Mon 18-Feb-13 23:26:48
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Only - I don't understand the difference between the "fixed connection" row which invokes the ECCs and the "Migration" row which doesn't. Those two lines also have an oddity regarding the minimum term.
The migration charge is also £500 per month !! A typo I suspect, but like you I don't see why there isn't an ECC element on migrating from ADSL to FTTPoD etc.

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Mon 18-Feb-13 23:34:45
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Why? Because that is what I've been told in discussions


I very much hope that is the case, what I've been told has been quite equivocal.
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