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Standard User jrankin
(newbie) Thu 16-May-13 19:15:28
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FTTC improvement?


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A question on upgrading to FTTC which I hope someone can help with.

I live in an area which is about to go live with FTTC (I hope, a few re-schedules but all cabinets in place and Openreach now saying accepting orders). The broadband availability checker tells me I can have FTTC from 30th June.

I am in a semi-rural location just under 1200m from the cabinet by road according to Google maps. The BT availability checker estimates I will get 9.3Mbps and also says I would get 6 Mbps with a range of 4-8Mbps with ASDL2+

I consistently and reliably have an 11.5-12Mbps ADSL2+ connection. Could I anticipate better than 9.3Mbps with FTTC or will the technology differences at the line length work against me? When my cabinet is fully enabled are further line tests run to give better certainty on the likely speed before I would place an order?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 16-May-13 19:17:55
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Table about 1/3rd the way down the page at http://www.thinkbroadband.com/guide/fibre-broadband....

1250m works out at around 17 Mbps for VDSL2

No real further tests take place before ordering, so if getting 11 to 12 reliably now, then its a bit of a incremental change

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Standard User jrankin
(newbie) Thu 16-May-13 20:00:55
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Thanks, that's helpful.

Incremental perhaps, but better than nothing smile

Edited by jrankin (Thu 16-May-13 20:01:34)


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Standard User Nervous
(experienced) Fri 17-May-13 09:20:05
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I would anticipate you getting a lot more speed with FTTC as I am about 1200m from my cabinet and get full 80/20
Standard User huwwatkins
(committed) Fri 17-May-13 09:32:33
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Re: FTTC improvement?


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Your line length will not be 1200m.
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Fri 17-May-13 09:32:57
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You got your distance wrong, noone will get 80/20 at 1.2km of copper.

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Standard User Nervous
(experienced) Fri 17-May-13 09:49:32
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Beg to differ, my cabinet is P11 Probability 100% located on Middle Street Lancaster according to FTTC check http://fttc-check.alc.im/

I live on York Road, Lancaster and if you use Google Maps that is 1.2 Miles via road and that is nearly double 1200m so would be reasonable to assume a physical line length of 1200m.

1mi 350yd = 1929.4m

Edited by Nervous (Fri 17-May-13 10:02:33)

Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Fri 17-May-13 10:08:33
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no chance, and whats the attenuation on the line?

even with vectoring 80/20 wont be seen on a 1.2km line. or even 1.9km line? even more of a dream.

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Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 17-May-13 10:09:13)

Standard User Nervous
(experienced) Fri 17-May-13 10:15:25
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Well, I've given you the facts as I know them and I'm connected at 80/20

The FTTC checker could be wrong about the cabinet but it does say "Probability 100%"

No idea what the attenuation is as Sky Routers don't tell you and I haven't bothered hacking into it to get line stats.

Edited by Nervous (Fri 17-May-13 10:17:13)

Standard User R0NSKI
(experienced) Fri 17-May-13 10:17:18
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what cabinet does the BT Wholesale checker say you are on?

Perhaps post you're post code so the experts can take a look.

Edit. You'll need to use the address checker as your with sky.

Edited by R0NSKI (Fri 17-May-13 10:18:40)

Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Fri 17-May-13 10:18:40
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I got this using post code LA1 4DW

Cabinet Probability Uplift Phase Status Type
P11 77% 6.94 7a Part of deployment FTTC (Fiber to the Cabinet)
P56 22% 4.52 7a Part of deployment FTTC (Fiber to the Cabinet)

The same post code on the BTw checker doesnt list FTTC at all.

Address checker for 1 york Road does show 80/20 estimate and cabinet 11. Something isnt adding up.

Where is cabinet 56 physically located?

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Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 17-May-13 10:21:47)

Standard User StephenTodd
(experienced) Fri 17-May-13 10:20:01
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I think you missed the comment at http://fttc-check.alc.im/
"Please note that these plans aren't 100% acurate and could change."

As the others have said, 100% probability you are not on a cabinet over 1km away and getting full speed.

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Standard User Nervous
(experienced) Fri 17-May-13 10:42:41
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Don't know where P56 is but it doesn't come up with my Postcode which is LA1 4DP

BT's own estimate for my address is WBC FTTC Up to 67.6 Up to 20

Edited by Nervous (Fri 17-May-13 12:11:28)

Standard User ryant704
(member) Fri 17-May-13 11:38:34
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FTTC has been removed from post codes a while ago when they had to change all the dates as it was misleading. People thinking they would be able to get fibre then not when it finally went live so they removed it at least from the majority what I've noticed...
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Fri 17-May-13 12:50:03
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There's a DSLAM on Palatine Ave, LA1 4HD. There also looks like a PCP halfway down York Road, and another on the corner with Palatine by the postbox.


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Edited by BatBoy (Fri 17-May-13 13:05:24)

Standard User Nervous
(experienced) Fri 17-May-13 13:13:19
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I'll take a look and see if FTTC and get cab number
Standard User WWWombat
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 17-May-13 15:37:34
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In reply to a post by BatBoy:
There's a DSLAM on Palatine Ave, LA1 4HD. There also looks like a PCP halfway down York Road, and another on the corner with Palatine by the postbox.


Putting that postcode into the Address checker (not the postcode checker)returns a list of addresses within that postcode, that can be selected to get the speed information.

One entry that can be selected gives:
Address STREET SIDE DSLAM CAB NMBAAW, PALATINE AVE, LANCASTER, LA1 4HD on Exchange LANCASTER is served by Cabinet 11

with a speed estimate of 80/20 (like all the addresses I checked on that postcode)

If that DSLAM is served by cabinet 11, then it presumably is the partner for cab 11!

Looks like 11 to me ... http://goo.gl/maps/AMM0U

As for the distance that 80/20 can go...

I'm on a 400 metre line, and that was easily capable of 80/20 when first installed 18 months ago (nearer 90Mbps). If I re-sync'ed now, the effect of crosstalk would drop my speed to 72Mbps - so 400 metres is a very rough guide to the boundary of an 80/20 speed.
Standard User Nervous
(experienced) Sat 18-May-13 08:33:01
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I've taken these speed tests so that OP can see what he may get at 1200m because these are from 1900m. Both distances are by road.

[IMG]http://www.speedtest.net/result/2715626879.png[/IMG]


[img]http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/button/13688...[/img]

Edited by Nervous (Sat 18-May-13 08:36:04)

Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sat 18-May-13 08:37:52
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You say you're 1900m from cab 11?


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Standard User Nervous
(experienced) Sat 18-May-13 08:42:09
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Yes I am. I live on York Road Lancaster and Cabinet 11 is on Middle Street Lancaster
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sat 18-May-13 08:43:40
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No, Cab 11 is outside No 6, Palatine Ave which is 150m away smile


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Standard User Nervous
(experienced) Sat 18-May-13 08:47:25
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Hmmm, according to FTTC Check, Cabinet 11 is on Middle Street
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sat 18-May-13 08:48:57
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Check out WWWombats post above http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4239325-ftt...

He gives a Streetview link for Cab 11 http://goo.gl/maps/AMM0U


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Edited by BatBoy (Sat 18-May-13 08:50:13)

Standard User Nervous
(experienced) Sat 18-May-13 08:58:29
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It appears you're right.
Standard User WWWombat
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 18-May-13 09:09:45
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In reply to a post by Nervous:
Hmmm, according to FTTC Check, Cabinet 11 is on Middle Street

The map on your original link shows you where Lancaster exchange is - not the cabinet. It is alongside details telling you about the exchange.

I looked again on Google Maps (useful tool), and can see that the exchange is actually the street behind Middle Street. It helpfully has its name sculptured into the wall
Standard User Nervous
(experienced) Sat 18-May-13 09:46:33
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Yes thanks. My bad, I can see now that I am only round the corner from cabinet 11. Thanks to all who cleared this up.
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Sat 18-May-13 12:00:46
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ok dispute solved.

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Standard User R0NSKI
(experienced) Sat 18-May-13 12:11:52
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I'm glad thats resolved, I was starting to think the whole county's FTTC was under performing. wink

Would be good if it worked that well, at that distance.

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 18-May-13 14:48:55
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Or he was on a secret trial of Profile 42a with vectoring!

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