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Standard User ayh20
(newbie) Tue 16-Jul-13 08:22:15
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Getting FTTC speeds back after "interuptions" ?


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Hi,

For a number of reasons I have upgraded to a Draytek router and after a bit of hassle getting the VDSL connection to work correctly i'm up and running ... all good so far.

My problem is that because I had to reboot a lot and switch to and from the old HG612, i find my line speed and (most importantly) latency has dropped through the floor. I've gone from mid 60's with 18ms pings to 30 with 35 ms pings.

Is there really nothing that I or the ISP (plusnet) can do to get the profile improved ?

Modem Stats in the Web UI show:
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VDSL2 Information      (VDSL2 Firmware Version:  05-04-08-00-00-06 )
  Profile       State   UP Speed        Down Speed      SNR Upstream    SNR Downstream  17A   SHOWTIME        17172 (Kbps)    52156 (Kbps)    5 (0.1dB)       5 (0.1dB)

Any thoughts ? The download sync speed doesn't seem to bad considering the speed I'm seeing and those SNR values seem pretty good don't they ?

I found this info in the console which may not looks so nice:
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> adsl status
   --------------------------- ATU-R Info (hw: annex A, f/w: annex A) -----------
   Running Mode            :  unknown       State                : SHOWTIME   DS Actual Rate          : 52156000 bps   US Actual Rate       : 17172000 bps
   DS Attainable Rate      :        0 bps   US Attainable Rate   :        0 bps   DS Path Mode            :        Fast    US Path Mode         :        Fast 
   DS Interleave Depth     :        0       US Interleave Depth  :        0    NE Current Attenuation  :       17 dB    Cur SNR Margin       :        5  dB
   DS actual PSD           :     7. 4 dB    US actual PSD        :    12. 6   dB   ADSL Firmware Version   : 05-04-08-00-00-06 
  -------------------------------- ATU-C Info ---------------------------------   Far Current Attenuation :        0 dB    Far SNR Margin       :        5  dB
   CO ITU Version[0]       : 00004d43       CO ITU Version[1]    : 000015a4   DSLAM CHIPSET VENDOR    : < unknown >

Thanks ... Andy

Edited by ayh20 (Tue 16-Jul-13 11:09:58)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 16-Jul-13 08:26:26
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Re: Getting FTTC speeds back after "interuptions" ?


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Wait the few weeks as line is stable and dlm to relent or see if plusnet can reset to day zero

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Standard User kasg
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 16-Jul-13 09:55:20
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
or see if plusnet can reset to day zero

Still not possible without an engineer visit AFAIK.

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Standard User HiPing
(learned) Tue 16-Jul-13 10:41:38
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@ ayh20,
Im in the same boat, I originally synced at 78/20, 11ms (Plusnet). After the first week of a stable connection, I got a new router (CISCO E4500) (which didnt play ball) and due to the numerous dropouts, my connection dropped to 65/15, 21ms. I replaced the cisco with my current TP-Link WDR3600.
Since then (2.5 months ago) it has lost about 1Mb a fortnight down to its current 61.2/15, 21ms. BTs original guesstimate was 56/18, so having 78/20 was a bit of a bonus. Now checking BT checker it says it is capable of 49/12Mb. Plusnet (after a bit of badgering) are looking into it.
So is this DLM working its magic or something else.
Standard User LEEEVANS69
(member) Tue 16-Jul-13 10:55:48
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Same problem here had someone out on Sat who reset the line

This was my speed on 19 may 2013 http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/plusnet/t/4239681-s...
1. Best Effort Test: -provides background information.

Download Speed
46.63 Mbps

0 Mbps 47.43 Mbps
Max Achievable Speed

Download speedachieved during the test was - 46.63 Mbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 12 Mbps-47.43 Mbps .
Additional Information:
IP Profile for your line is - 47.43 Mbps

2. Upstream Test: -provides background information.

Upload Speed
8.21 Mbps

0 Mbps 20 Mbps
Max Achievable Speed

Upload speed achieved during the test was - 8.21Mbps
Additional Information:
Upstream Rate IP profile on your line is - 20 Mbps


2 June 2013 http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/plusnet/t/4242632-h...

1. Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Download Speed
42.43 Mbps

0 Mbps 43.51 Mbps
Max Achievable Speed

Download speedachieved during the test was - 42.43 Mbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 12 Mbps-43.51 Mbps .
Additional Information:
IP Profile for your line is - 43.51 Mbps

2. Upstream Test: -provides background information.

Upload Speed
6.66 Mbps

0 Mbps 20 Mbps
Max Achievable Speed

Upload speed achieved during the test was - 6.66Mbps
Additional Information:
Upstream Rate IP profile on your line is - 20 Mbps




and now today

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1. Best Effort Test: -provides background information.

Download Speed
37.87 Mbps

0 Mbps 41.6 Mbps
Max Achievable Speed

Download speedachieved during the test was - 37.87 Mbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 12 Mbps-41.6 Mbps .
Additional Information:
IP Profile for your line is - 41.6 Mbps

2. Upstream Test: -provides background information.

Upload Speed
4.39 Mbps

0 Mbps 20 Mbps
Max Achievable Speed

Upload speed achieved during the test was - 4.39Mbps
Additional Information:
Upstream Rate IP profile on your line is - 20 Mbps
Standard User ayh20
(newbie) Tue 16-Jul-13 11:12:30
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So the "Reset" just made it worse ?

ouch ....

Is there anyway to reboot a router without upsetting the DSM ?
Standard User LEEEVANS69
(member) Tue 16-Jul-13 11:14:16
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Yeah the upload is virtually 1/2 of what i got when we first had it installed
Standard User StephenTodd
(experienced) Tue 16-Jul-13 11:18:48
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If you have separate modem and router (as provided by default), resetting the router won't have any effect on DLM.

If you have a combined unit, it depends on the device if there is an option to reset the router part without resetting the modem part (VDSL connection).
If you redefine the pppoe login details and then define it back again, that would probably work on most combined modem/routers, at least if the purpose of the reset was to ensure the IP profile was properly established.

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Moved (with trepidation turned relief) to BT Infinity 2 for upload speed. Happy BE user for several years.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 16-Jul-13 18:25:22
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All should bear in mind that Openreach have not yet approved any modem or modem/router for connection to FTTC circuits other than the modems they supply themselves, nor have they released an FTTC product allowing any such connection.

The specification of hardware/firmware requirements for approval for when connecting non-Openreach kit once they permit it can be found in BT SIN 498.

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Edited by RobertoS (Tue 16-Jul-13 18:38:22)

Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Tue 16-Jul-13 18:47:08
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I am surprised noone else has noticed, but the line appears to have not been DLM'd what you pasted shows fast path with a low snrm so seems neither banding or interleave is in affect.

It simply looks to me the draytek is just syncing poorly on your line which isnt too surprising given it has bad reports with openreach dslams.

The bit I cant explain is your higher pings, its possible the modem is misreporting the fast path status.

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