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Standard User shaneosborne
(experienced) Sun 28-Jul-13 13:38:10
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Fibre Upgrade Questions....


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When upgrading to Fibre, does the telephone/talk service still use the copper path from exchange to property?

I'm also a little confused crazy

I'm currently on SKY BB Unlimited and my line performs extremely well via copper, giving me the maximum advertised speeds/sync rate. What confuses me is that my Fibre expected speed is only 30MB... If Fibre eliminates the copper path from exchange to my cabinet then why can't I achieve better than 30MB even on Pro packages which should be 'up to' 72MB if I recall. Seems odd when I get the max speed available via a full copper path but limited when the majority is switched to Fibre...

Many thanks in advance...
Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 28-Jul-13 13:50:11
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On fttc voice still comes via copper from the exchange.

VDSL signals degrade quicker over distance than ADSL, if only estimated as 30mbps, then you probably around 750 meter's from the cabinet,.

Standard User shaneosborne
(experienced) Sun 28-Jul-13 14:06:45
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Thanks @Ronski smile

I'm just trying to justify the extra £12.50 per month for a speed increase of just 12MB.

My Ping is approximately 29ms, is this likely to improve? I may cancel my upgrade as I'm not seeing many benefits for an extra £12.50 pm :/


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Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 28-Jul-13 14:52:51
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When upgrading to Fibre, does the telephone/talk service still use the copper path from exchange to property?
Basically yes.

I'm currently on SKY BB Unlimited and my line performs extremely well via copper, giving me the maximum advertised speeds/sync rate. What confuses me is that my Fibre expected speed is only 30MB... If Fibre eliminates the copper path from exchange to my cabinet then why can't I achieve better than 30MB even on Pro packages which should be 'up to' 72MB if I recall. Seems odd when I get the max speed available via a full copper path but limited when the majority is switched to Fibre...


FTTC uses VDSL technology. This deteriorates much much faster over distance than ADSL 2+.
Imagine a 3 mile long ADSL line. You might get 1 or 2 Mbps out of this line.
VDSL via FTTC wouldn't work at all on a 3 mile long line.

If your estimate is only 30Mbps the green cabinet must be a fair distance away.
Please be aware that fibre estimates include cross-talk. So you may initially sync at 50Mbps and then as crosstalk occurs that will eventually cause the line to be around 30Mbps.

If crosstalk's already present you'll always see around 30 Mbps from day one.

I personally wouldn't bother if you're getting 20Mbps already.

Pings might improve but that all depends on how stable your line is.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Sun 28-Jul-13 14:53:24)

Standard User shaneosborne
(experienced) Sun 28-Jul-13 15:02:41
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Thanks Sir.... I think I'll cancel my upgrade, I'm not going to benefit... Was offered free activation and 6 months at £10 pm but tbh it's still not worth it. Well, for me anyway...
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Sun 28-Jul-13 15:42:55
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The checker may be conservative, so your speed increase could be quite a bit more. It's saying 60% faster down than now ? the upstream will be a lot faster too.

What's your downstream attenuation & sync speed on ADSL ?

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Phil

MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.

MaxDSL diagnostics

Edited by yarwell (Sun 28-Jul-13 15:43:52)

Standard User StephenTodd
(experienced) Sun 28-Jul-13 15:51:11
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For many people the upstream benefit is much greater than the downstream improvement. Anything like online backup, ...

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Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 28-Jul-13 16:08:25
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Is it just you using it? If so not much point.

The faster upload does make pages "feel" much faster loading but that's me comparing against a 8mbps connection vs 70mbps & im always uploading so my 8 Mbps connection was always jammed up.

Fibres a god send for those seeing 2 or 3 Mbps who can suddenly get 70
Mbps

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Standard User shaneosborne
(experienced) Sun 28-Jul-13 16:17:24
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Myself (PC), 2x Laptops, Sky VOD and 3x Mobile Phones :/

Obviously not all of these at once but always at least two of the above items at once...
Standard User shaneosborne
(experienced) Sun 28-Jul-13 16:19:47
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Broadband Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 18012 kbps 1212 kbps
Line Attenuation 23.5 dB 14.0 dB
Noise Margin 6.5 dB 9.9 dB
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