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Standard User jez9999
(learned) Mon 30-Sep-13 14:38:07
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Best way to use FTTC with an extension line?


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Currently, I'm using an extension line going to my upstairs study to connect to my ADSL2+ service. I wish to keep using broadband from this location when I switch to FTTC (and I want a wired solution, not wireless). However apparently you have to have the VDSL modem next to the master socket, and mine is downstairs. What are my options in using my upstairs extension for a FTTC connection? Can I ask for my extension socket to be turned into the master socket? Do I need to run a second cat5e cable up, alongside the existing extension cable? This would be rather annoying as my extension cable goes neatly through a hole drilled in the ceiling.

=== Jez ===

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Standard User David_W
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 30-Sep-13 14:45:52
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Re: Best way to use FTTC with an extension line?


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If you ask the ISP to order the free of charge "Home Wiring Solution" along with your FTTC install, the engineer will provide an extension of up to 30m from the master socket, to which the BT Openreach modem is connected.

A better option is to have the master socket moved (which is another "Home Wiring Solution" option) which might be possible by reusing the existing wiring if it is of good enough quality. If this wiring is already Category 5e, that will do. The problem with this is that you have a longer line that you cannot subsequently shorten to try for better performance, as the former extension is now pre-NTE5 wiring that you cannot legally touch.

The FTTC signal can degrade quickly with distance. As such, the best option if there is power sufficiently near the master socket is to leave the master socket where it is, mount the modem by it, and use Ethernet between modem and router. This means a second cable, but will provide the best results. If possible, I'd run two cables, so you have a spare in case you need it later, but this might be inappropriate for decorating reasons.


It's well worth getting the ISP to order the "Home Wiring Solution" no matter what, as it costs them nothing and the BT Openreach engineer's options are constrained if it is not ordered.

As always, tea and biscuits may help get what you want from the engineer.

Standard User jez9999
(learned) Mon 30-Sep-13 14:53:44
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Re: Best way to use FTTC with an extension line?


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Sounds like the second cable might be the best solution, then, but ideally I'd like it running alongside the other cable. Hmmmmmm. That would mean sticking it through the hole in the ceiling. What do you think the chances are that the engineer would do that?

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Standard User David_W
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 30-Sep-13 15:00:20
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If you want cable running for Ethernet, that's really your responsibility. You might get lucky if you present the engineer with a length of solid conductor Category 5e cable that you ask him to run instead of the wiring in the Home Wiring Solution kit, but I wouldn't hold your breath. Is DIY not an option?

Connecting the faceplates to the cable is a simple DIY job if you have a Krone tool (ideally not a plastic one). A specialist stripper for the outer jacket helps, too - it's fiddly using a knife and you often nick the insulation of the inner conductors.


The cable in the HWS kit is 2 pair cable that could be used for Fast Ethernet (use the pairs for 1/2 and 3/6), the maximum the FTTC modems support. However, it's a dead-end solution, as faster Ethernet standards, notably gigabit, require 4 pairs.

Standard User btbert
(member) Mon 30-Sep-13 15:08:39
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Re: Best way to use FTTC with an extension line?


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" That would mean sticking it through the hole in the ceiling. What do you think the chances are that the engineer would do that? "

He will not drill a hole throught your ceiling but if you already have / drill a hole i can not see why not.

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Standard User 4M2
(knowledge is power) Mon 30-Sep-13 15:31:09
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Probably best to be careful and locate any electric cables laid above the ceiling and under the floorboards, if relevant, when drilling holes?
Standard User jez9999
(learned) Mon 30-Sep-13 15:32:51
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Re: Best way to use FTTC with an extension line?


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In reply to a post by David_W:
If you want cable running for Ethernet, that's really your responsibility. You might get lucky if you present the engineer with a length of solid conductor Category 5e cable that you ask him to run instead of the wiring in the Home Wiring Solution kit, but I wouldn't hold your breath. Is DIY not an option?

Connecting the faceplates to the cable is a simple DIY job if you have a Krone tool (ideally not a plastic one). A specialist stripper for the outer jacket helps, too - it's fiddly using a knife and you often nick the insulation of the inner conductors.


The cable in the HWS kit is 2 pair cable that could be used for Fast Ethernet (use the pairs for 1/2 and 3/6), the maximum the FTTC modems support. However, it's a dead-end solution, as faster Ethernet standards, notably gigabit, require 4 pairs.

I'm confused - what do you mean "cable running for Ethernet"? What I want is to be able to plug the VDSL modem in upstairs, ideally. Failing that, the modem downstairs and an extension cable running from the modem to my study upstairs.

What exactly is the Home Wiring Solution kit meant to do? Plug a cable into the VDSL modem installed downstairs, or have an extension socket upstairs into which you plug the VDSL modem?

=== Jez ===
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(staff) Mon 30-Sep-13 15:42:57
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Re: Best way to use FTTC with an extension line?


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Home Wiring solution, filters the existing phone wiring at the master socket, and then runs a 30m cable that is dedicated for use by the VDSL modem to a location elsewhere in the property.

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Standard User David_W
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 30-Sep-13 15:45:22
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Home Wiring Solution is intended to go between the faceplate filter and the FTTC modem.

I'm suggesting that it's better to mount the FTTC modem at the master socket, keeping the phone line as short as possible. The Category 5e Ethernet cable is to connect the modem to your router.

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 30-Sep-13 15:47:52
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This post describes the "Home Wiring Solution" very well.

However!!!

From your description and the ensuing conversation, it looks possible that the cable you already have in place is Cat5?

In which case, as has been suggested, the engineer should happily use that to move the master, and could, (not approved but works), backwire to the existing master if you need a phone there.

A better solution, hinted at but not suggested, if that cable is Cat5, is to have the Openreach modem installed at the current master, then use a second pair in the cable to connect it to a router upstairs. Not being near the modem doesn't matter.

So no need for a second cable.

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Edited by RobertoS (Mon 30-Sep-13 15:48:47)

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