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Standard User adslmax
(knowledge is power) Wed 19-Mar-14 02:59:59
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VDSL2 Profiles


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When will BTw going to upgrading from profiles 17a to 30a to get a possible 160Meg down and 40Meg up?

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Standard User billford
(elder) Wed 19-Mar-14 07:31:48
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Hopefully not until after the network is capable of handling what is already provided.



edit- remove misleading "ownership" implications.

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Wed 19-Mar-14 08:53:21
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Haven't seen it on the Openreach roadmap at all. The only change on the roadmap was 8a -> 17a and that was done a while ago.

30a is really intended for FTTB.


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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Wed 19-Mar-14 09:08:48
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Why? The only users likely to see any significant improvement will be those already getting near an 80/20 sync. In the 70's there will be some and I would guess that anyone currently getting 60 will a minimal improvement.

So, a large expense for BT in testing and rolling out firmware upgrade for no returns.

And why is it needed? 80/20 is adequate for almost every residential and small business installation. Any business that can justify a faster connection should be looking at non-VDSL solutions.


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Standard User acpsd775
(experienced) Wed 19-Mar-14 09:56:36
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And why is it needed? 80/20 is adequate for almost every residential and small business installation. Any business that can justify a faster connection should be looking at non-VDSL solutions.


i suppose thats a question to ask all the VM users on here who've just upgraded to 152 (most getting close to 160) lol they obviously feel the need,

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Standard User Andrue
(knowledge is power) Wed 19-Mar-14 11:09:11
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In reply to a post by acpsd775:
In reply to a post by MHC:
And why is it needed? 80/20 is adequate for almost every residential and small business installation. Any business that can justify a faster connection should be looking at non-VDSL solutions.


i suppose thats a question to ask all the VM users on here who've just upgraded to 152 (most getting close to 160) lol they obviously feel the need,

Ash
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Standard User flipdee
(member) Wed 19-Mar-14 11:32:53
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Basically g.fast/vectoring before 30a.
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Wed 19-Mar-14 17:55:32
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vectoring more better than pushing up the profile in my opinion, vectoring is currently in field testing.

Standard User flipdee
(member) Wed 19-Mar-14 20:50:44
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Will it go to CP trials do you think?
Standard User WWWombat
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 21-Mar-14 01:23:49
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It isn't worth them doing 30a within the current cabinets - the percentage of properties that are close enough to benefit is too low, perhaps only 20% or so.

The only way it would be worthwhile is for them to change the infrastructure, and place cabinets a lot closer to the home - within 200 metres or so. But that kind of change is perhaps better envisaged as FTTdp using the newer G.fast system instead. That goes to over 100MHz instead.

Right now, BT seem to be concentrating on coverage - on getting more people covered by FTTC, and then on increasing the range of the existing cabinets.

As everyone else has said, vectoring technology helps them achieve that as well as enhancing the speed for those closer to the cabinet. It is a far more suitable technology for the way BT are currently deploying FTTC. Adding G.INP to the mix also helps, by reducing the overhead from FEC+interleaving.

BT has made their choice obvious in setting the specifications for ISP's to supply their own self-install modems. They have specified that the modems must support vectoring and G.INP, but only profile 17a. No mention of 30a.
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