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Standard User IranianGiraffe
(member) Fri 11-Jul-14 23:55:46
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ISP's offering FTTP without line rental


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Hi all,

I've got a friend who is about to move into a place where FTTP is available (NOT fibre on demand). Ideally as he only uses the mobile he has no use for a land line so ideally he is looking for a ISP that offers FTTP without needing line rental. Does anyone know any ISP's that allow you to order FTTP without needing to take out line rental?.

Thanks
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 12-Jul-14 02:50:01
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Technically possible but the price rises so that it is same cost anyway

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Sat 12-Jul-14 13:36:20
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Technically possible but the price rises so that it is same cost anyway


This. You pay it anyway. Joys of being a monopoly, Openreach force you to pay line rental one way or the other even if you don't want a voice service.


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Standard User B31
(learned) Sat 12-Jul-14 14:08:31
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And if you have to pay for it, if you have it or not, you may as well have it - eg for calling numbers that are free/cheaper on a landline.



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Standard User Andrue
(knowledge is power) Sat 12-Jul-14 14:12:08
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Technically possible but the price rises so that it is same cost anyway


This. You pay it anyway. Joys of being a monopoly, Openreach force you to pay line rental one way or the other even if you don't want a voice service.
There's always going to be a component of the cost that covers maintenance of the cable and head-end equipment. Last I heard the cost of providing a voice service was a couple of quid a month so that would suggest a minimum fee of £10pcm with the costs of providing a data service on top of that.

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Standard User tialaramex
(learned) Sat 12-Jul-14 15:41:03
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There's always going to be a component of the cost that covers maintenance of the cable and head-end equipment. Last I heard the cost of providing a voice service was a couple of quid a month so that would suggest a minimum fee of £10pcm with the costs of providing a data service on top of that.


Right. The maintenance and overheads dwarf the cost of moving a few kilobits of voice data for a few minutes here and there.

If you live in a dense but modern area, Openreach doesn't spend anywhere near £10pcm providing service to you unless there's a disaster. And if you live in the middle of nowhere with a mile of cable on poles just to reach your phone they've probably spent more than £10pcm looking after it, costs for a guy with a cherry picker would get though a year's line rental in an hour or so. That's how it goes with universal service, some of us subsidise service for the rest, but everybody benefits from the resulting network effect.

You can get line rental that's literally just that, rental for the line but no calls bundled or whatever, and they're often a cheaper option if you really won't actually plug in a phone. A&A (who aren't exactly cheap in general) charge me £10 per month for this IIRC.
Standard User IranianGiraffe
(member) Sat 12-Jul-14 16:21:13
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Thanks all for replying.

I knew it would cost some to not have it but it does seem to take the pi$$ when it costs pretty much the same.

As he's got no need to actually use the phone line may as well go down the cheapest route and go for prime saver option of around £9 a month instead of the amount BT charge.

Thanks again
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 12-Jul-14 16:26:39
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Can he find an FTTP provider that doesn't require the phone line to be with them as well? Plusnet may, but he would need to sign up on ADSLx first and then get on the trial.

Perhaps AAISP would go along with it.

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Sat 12-Jul-14 16:53:34
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In reply to a post by Andrue:
There's always going to be a component of the cost that covers maintenance of the cable and head-end equipment. Last I heard the cost of providing a voice service was a couple of quid a month so that would suggest a minimum fee of £10pcm with the costs of providing a data service on top of that.


Yet if you take a copper line with it that cost of maintenance of the fibre cable and headend equipment suddenly doesn't exist. Strange that.

Edited by Ignitionnet (Sat 12-Jul-14 16:53:56)

Standard User MCM
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 12-Jul-14 16:56:14
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Not to forget the shared trunking, poles (for those fed overhead), manholes, premises, etc. FTTP users need to contribute towards those costs in the same way as everybody else.
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