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Standard User csimon
(experienced) Thu 04-Sep-14 11:24:27
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FTTP - what happens to phone line?


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Please forgive the question if it's too obvious.

When you get FTTP installed, by default does your copper phone line remain and you just get an additional fibre line coming in for the broadband, therefore the services are completely separate?

Or are you forced/are there options to run the phone over fibre and have some sort of splitter in the house?

Edited by csimon (Thu 04-Sep-14 11:24:53)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 04-Sep-14 11:29:25
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Re: FTTP - what happens to phone line?


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You get a choice,

Keep paying voice line rental and have the fibre separate
OR
Ditch copper and pay for Fibre Voice Access which gives you two lines but over the fibre and is broken out onto copper at the Fibre ONT

Bottom third of page at http://www.thinkbroadband.com/guide/fibre-broadband.... has pictures of the changes at the master socket.

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Standard User csimon
(experienced) Thu 04-Sep-14 11:44:07
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Re: FTTP - what happens to phone line?


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That's great, thank you very much.


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Standard User eckiedoo
(experienced) Thu 04-Sep-14 12:12:50
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Re: FTTP - what happens to phone line?


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Afternoon Andrew

What happens to other devices such as alarms etc - are these also catered for within the Fibre connection; or is the full d-E copper connection still required by such additional uses, if present?


Also do those FVA sources provide the DC voltage for display-type phones, which do not have local power sources such as mains adaptors or batteries?

Are the existing copper phone numbers transferable to the FVA Services?

Edited by eckiedoo (Thu 04-Sep-14 12:14:22)

Standard User ukhardy07
(knowledge is power) Thu 04-Sep-14 12:25:01
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Re: FTTP - what happens to phone line?


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Say you choose Fibre Voice Access. Would you have to pay two lots of line rental as you have two lines?
Standard User IranianGiraffe
(member) Thu 04-Sep-14 14:03:03
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Re: FTTP - what happens to phone line?


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In reply to a post by ukhardy07:
Say you choose Fibre Voice Access. Would you have to pay two lots of line rental as you have two lines?


If you still want your phone on the copper line and another via FVA then yes
Standard User zom22
(member) Thu 04-Sep-14 14:24:31
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Re: FTTP - what happens to phone line?


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You will need to discuss this with your alarm company.
You may need a new alarm base unit if the existing one cannot have an IP module attached to it....which may be a problem as the sensors would probably also need changing as they wil not longer be compatible with the new base units...so in the end a total new alarm system.
This issue has already been seen with the altnet FTTP companies - old alarms using the BT phone line as part of their operations are a big problem.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 04-Sep-14 15:20:02
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All telephones are to some extent voice powered, and thus the ONT creates the required voltage so handsets will work - little point if it did not.

Generally alarms tied into the physical copper will need to remain on copper . Some that JUST do a simple dial might be OK technically but alarm company likely to insist on full copper for power and security issues.

Number porting should be no problem.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 04-Sep-14 15:22:13
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The openreach charges cover two lines I believe, but there is the wholesale and retail costs to add so one of those unknown answers.

FVA is very rare, most keep the copper because once you go FVA you add a battery backup pack, and as alts are finding these can be costly. Even to the point that supposedly where Virgin Media is doing TV and broadband over fibre they aren't going to provide voice to get around that USO power cut obligations.

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Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Thu 04-Sep-14 18:06:02
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FVA is very rare, most keep the copper because once you go FVA you add a battery backup pack,

Nope, FVA on nearly all FTTP services I install, NOT having FVA as well is the rarity. That said, the majority are for BT Retail, not yet seen an FVA order on a Plusnet service.

Yes the ONTE can provide two lines, but I have yet to see it in practice, just the existing copper number reproved over the FTTP service on the same visit as the install.

The BBU will be fitted whether you take the FVA or not, and in nearly all instances FVA wiring fitted even if not to be used.

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