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Standard User mikehiow
(committed) Wed 04-Nov-15 19:01:20
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Which router for 1gbps fibre?


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So, I have hyperoptic going in tomorrow and I want to take that as a cue to upgrade my aging Asus N66U router for something AC.

House consists of a fair few devices - Gaming PC, iMac, Macbook, MBP, 2xiPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Chromecast, Xbox One, Smart TV and a few I've probably not thought of.

I believe the iMac and laptops being 2015 models support 4x4 AC?

Due to the location of the Hyperoptic socket, it's possible I may not be able to have a wired connection anymore, so I want to make sure I do it right.

The best I've come up with is the RT-AC87U which does things like OpenVPN server and traffic shaping which are essential to me.

But I really have no idea of what else I should be considering, if anything?

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 04-Nov-15 19:15:44
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Re: Which router for 1gbps fibre?


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Hyperoptic provide a router already with the service, is that you are wanting to add something faster for handling the wireless side only.

Adding another router after the Hyperoptic router creates a double NAT scenario which is not ideal, but would work, ideally you want to ensure any wireless add-ons are able to operate in an access point mode (the Asus N66U can do this)

One big issue if Ethernet is totally ruled out is that the fastest Wi-Fi may not penetrate modern insulated doors and walls very well.

The Netgear Nighthawk X6 at over £200 is one of the fastest ones out at the moment, but not sure if it has a direct access point mode built in, or whether you need to rig it up (which is possible with any router)

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Standard User mikehiow
(committed) Wed 04-Nov-15 20:50:19
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Re: Which router for 1gbps fibre?


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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Hyperoptic provide a router already with the service, is that you are wanting to add something faster for handling the wireless side only.

Adding another router after the Hyperoptic router creates a double NAT scenario which is not ideal, but would work, ideally you want to ensure any wireless add-ons are able to operate in an access point mode (the Asus N66U can do this)

One big issue if Ethernet is totally ruled out is that the fastest Wi-Fi may not penetrate modern insulated doors and walls very well.

The Netgear Nighthawk X6 at over £200 is one of the fastest ones out at the moment, but not sure if it has a direct access point mode built in, or whether you need to rig it up (which is possible with any router)


I intend to replace the Hyperoptic router, which their knowledge base suggests is absolutely fine.

Fortunately there's not a big distance between my hallway where the installation guide suggests they'll want to install the faceplate and my living room where the majority of devices reside.

RIP FTTC, Hello Sky 10/1 frown


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Standard User AdrianPH
(regular) Thu 05-Nov-15 08:36:38
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Do not buy the RT-AC87U you will not enjoy the experience.

I had 4 one after the other , all of which failed to work properly, they have well documented issues.

The Quantenna WiFi drivers are dire.

Look at the AC3200 , I got a refund on the 87U ( the supplier I used has now stopped shipping them) and upgraded to the AC3200 , it is awesome and has worked flawlessly.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 05-Nov-15 09:14:04
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-1 for the Asus RT-AC87R

I had one and yes the Quantenna chipset is pants, random disconnections on 5ghz, router overheats and generally not had a great experience. That said, you should definitely buy a Mu-Mimo router for best wifi speeds, just not the AC87R. If your router MUST be an Asus then wait for a bit as the Asus AC88 should be released shortly, this is a Mu-Mimo router and uses twin broadcom chipsets which should be fine. Otherwise i'd highly recommend the Linksys EA8500 (AC2600) this is a brilliant Mu-Mimo router, gives me 75/18 meg on all our pc's/laptops anywhere in the house on wifi.

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Standard User nemeth782
(member) Thu 05-Nov-15 09:43:12
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99% sure both the 2015 iMac and MBP are 802.11ac 3x3, the iPhone 6S is 2x2. Not aware of any 4x4 devices, the aim of 4x4 is more MU-MIMO, which there is not yet wide support for anyway.

No router you buy is going to give you an actual gigabit of throughput over wifi in anything but laboratory conditions, so you will be losing some speed from the maximum hyperoptic can provide you if you do not use ethernet.

Especially as even if some of your devices are 3x3 and support MU-MIMO, a single old device with 802.11ac 1x1 and no MU-MIMO support will kill your throughput (as even the theoretical maximum speed for that device using the whole channel is 433mbps).
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 05-Nov-15 09:47:18
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Broadband World Forum was interesting, as kit manufacturers saying that even for apartments to get the best Wi-Fi speeds then yes additional access points needed

Time for builders to put in as standard some basic Ethernet from utility cupboards to at least behind the TV

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Standard User mikehiow
(committed) Thu 05-Nov-15 09:48:56
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Thanks for the heads up, guys.

It doesn't have to be Asus, I just need something that is feature complete in terms of traffic monitoring and VPN server.

I chose Asus because I have an N66U now, and I know it does what I need - that said, the Wireless has been less than reliable on that, too.

I did originally look at the AC3200 but most reviews suggested that a 4x4 router would give me higher speeds across fewer devices as opposed to slightly lower speeds across more devices.

Perhaps I'll wait for the install and see what happens. If it turns out I can wire my PC, iMac and server, I'll be a whole lot less fussy about outright speeds.

Everything else would be fine with <100mbps.

RIP FTTC, Hello Sky 10/1 frown

Edited by mikehiow (Thu 05-Nov-15 09:50:41)

Standard User MHC
(sensei) Thu 05-Nov-15 09:58:02
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Broadband World Forum was interesting, as kit manufacturers saying that even for apartments to get the best Wi-Fi speeds then yes additional access points needed

Time for builders to put in as standard some basic Ethernet from utility cupboards to at least behind the TV


I wonder what they might use? Alarm wire is not quite up to modern Ethernet standard although it has one advantage over "normal" telephone cable in that it has 8 cores compared to 4 or 6!


Try persuading domestic architects and builders to put any type of future proofing in, even if just 16mm plastic conduit for users to add their own wires, or risers between floors. It is near on impossible!

I did all my own and kept getting the questions - what do you need that for, why all the sockets, what ... , why ... , and so on.


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Standard User nemeth782
(member) Thu 05-Nov-15 10:35:06
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And if you use 80mhz channels for the best 802.11ac throughput, there are only 2 non-overlapping 5ghz channels allowed for use indoors, and one of these is DFS and can be killed if radar or other use is detected.

Using 40mhz channels suddenly means 1x1 antenna devices are down to 216mbits theoretical maximum, and 2x2 down to 433mbit theoretical maximum. In terms of real world throughput you'd be having a good day if you got half of this.

If there is any overlap with neighbours, it's going to be worse.

If we were talking a 100mbit connection, yeah, you can probably with a decent wireless setup make full utilisation of it.

A gigabit connection? Go ethernet or you will never ever use it to it's potential.
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