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Standard User gdavid
(committed) Fri 27-Nov-15 21:01:13
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Curious about TalkTalk fibre availabity


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This is not definite at the moment, just checking out options.

Fibre is available at my house and at the exchange, but when looking at the TT web site it does not offer fibre for me or to others in the town centre. Just wondering why this should be when they do LLU connections.

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https://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/SDMDHRS

Exchange MIDHURST is served by Cabinet 6

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Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Downstream Range(Mbps)


Availability Date
High Low High Low
FTTC Range A (Clean) 5.3 2.9 1.2 0.8 -- Available
FTTC Range B (Impacted) 4.2 1.5 1.2 0.5 -- Available
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 1 -- 1 to 3.5 Available
ADSL Max Up to 1 -- 0.75 to 2.5 Available
WBC Fixed Rate 0.5 -- -- Available
Fixed Rate 0.5 -- -- Available
Other Offerings
Fibre Multicast -- -- -- Available
Copper Multicast -- -- -- Available

Thanks

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David
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 27-Nov-15 21:10:58
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Re: Curious about TalkTalk fibre availabity


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Dreadful speeds. They probably don't want the hassle of explaining to people why they are paying more but it is possibly slower than ADSL2+ was. What speed do you connect at, (not the speed test speed), on LLU?

The indispensable man or woman passes from the scene, and what happens next is more or less the same thing as was happening before.
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Standard User WWWombat
(knowledge is power) Sat 28-Nov-15 07:26:29
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Re: Curious about TalkTalk fibre availabity


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In reply to a post by gdavid:
Fibre is available at my house and at the exchange, but when looking at the TT web site it does not offer fibre for me or to others in the town centre. Just wondering why this should be when they do LLU connections.


Each LLU operator has to purchase a connection into the optical switch that the FTTC cabinets are connected to, aka a GEA cablelink. That connection is needed to get data between the LLU backhaul and the Openreach access network.

TT have been known to not bother purchasing this connection - so you might want to check other suppliers too.


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Standard User gdavid
(committed) Sat 28-Nov-15 12:31:31
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Re: Curious about TalkTalk fibre availabity


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Dreadful speeds. They probably don't want the hassle of explaining to people why they are paying more but it is possibly slower than ADSL2+ was. What speed do you connect at, (not the speed test speed), on LLU?


At this distance I have to be happy with what I have. Here are the specs


Status
xDSL
xDSL
Mode ADSL_2plus
Traffic Type ATM
Status Up
Link Power State L0
Downstream Upstream
Line Coding (Trellis) On On
SNR Margin (dB) 6.3 8.5
Attenuation (dB) 62.0 38.2
Output Power (dBm) 0.0 12.8
Attainable Rate (Kbps) 2920 436
Rate (Kbps) 2494 517
MSGc (# of bytes in overhead channel message) 51 10
B (# of bytes in Mux Data Frame) 29 11
M (# of Mux Data Frames in FEC Data Frame) 8 16
T (Mux Data Frames over sync bytes) 3 6
R (# of check bytes in FEC Data Frame) 10 16
S (ratio of FEC over PMD Data Frame length) 3.0441 11.7183
L (# of bits in PMD Data Frame) 657 142
D (interleaver depth) 16 2
Delay (msec) 12 6
INP (DMT symbol) 0.50 0.50
Super Frames 36775010 33392493
Super Frame Errors 124135 373
RS Words 466720887 861730
RS Correctable Errors 5137758 20556
RS Uncorrectable Errors 172506 0
HEC Errors 132940 263
OCD Errors 123 0
LCD Errors 123 0
Total Cells 2089826247 432584213
Data Cells 69076645 5005292
Bit Errors 0 20644
Total ES 96520 245
Total SES 80 2
Total UAS 754 722

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David
Standard User gdavid
(committed) Sat 28-Nov-15 12:36:16
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Re: Curious about TalkTalk fibre availabity


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In reply to a post by WWWombat:
In reply to a post by gdavid:
Fibre is available at my house and at the exchange, but when looking at the TT web site it does not offer fibre for me or to others in the town centre. Just wondering why this should be when they do LLU connections.


Each LLU operator has to purchase a connection into the optical switch that the FTTC cabinets are connected to, aka a GEA cablelink. That connection is needed to get data between the LLU backhaul and the Openreach access network.

TT have been known to not bother purchasing this connection - so you might want to check other suppliers too.


Thanks

This really out of curiosity in case some other ISP offers backhaul on TT. Can understand it at my distance but thought the town itself would have the availability of fibre from TT.

Regards


David
Standard User kitcat
(committed) Sat 28-Nov-15 14:45:30
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gdavid

If TT haven't brought the cablelink for FTTC they couldn't wholesale for any other ISP either.

You have to decide whether to wait and see if they do, or if it is worth moving to a BT hosted ISP ( or Sky if they have brought a link) for the extra 2Mb down and doubled upstream speed.

Not sure it is worth it regardless for the small increase you will get, you must be over a mile from the Cab for those figures. Could check your home wiring first as that may have more impact and any improvement will also get you closer to the clean High figures.
Standard User Fastman2
(committed) Sat 28-Nov-15 15:07:43
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check this https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/main.html

this will tell you what is available at your property rather than what your service provider might / or might no want to sell you / tell you

use Either the telephone number / or address - don't you the postcode checker (too variable)
Standard User gdavid
(committed) Sat 28-Nov-15 16:23:46
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Re: Curious about TalkTalk fibre availabity


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In reply to a post by Fastman2:
check this https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/main.html

this will tell you what is available at your property rather than what your service provider might / or might no want to sell you / tell you

use Either the telephone number / or address - don't you the postcode checker (too variable)


These are the same rates as I gave above.

This is only an investigation into what might be possible but I am wondering if the extra cost is worthwhile.

Don't know if anything can be read into my current stats that might give an indication of what I might get. The cab is about 1.7Km.

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on Exchange MIDHURST is served by Cabinet 6

Featured Products


Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Downstream Range(Mbps)


Availability Date
High Low High Low
FTTC Range A (Clean) 5.3 2.9 1.2 0.8 -- Available
FTTC Range B (Impacted) 4.2 1.5 1.2 0.5 -- Available
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 1 -- 1 to 3.5 Available
ADSL Max Up to 1 -- 0.75 to 2.5 Available
WBC Fixed Rate 0.5 -- -- Available
Fixed Rate 0.5 -- -- Available
Other Offerings
Fibre Multicast -- -- -- Available
Copper Multicast -- -- -- Available

Regards


David
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 28-Nov-15 16:27:36
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Re: Curious about TalkTalk fibre availabity


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If the FTTC ends up running in the 3.5 to 4.5 Mbps region then it should make streaming video in SD easy and HD possible but not always brilliant.

Its a big IF until you try it, and only you can decide if the extra cost is worth it.

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Standard User gdavid
(committed) Sat 28-Nov-15 16:27:39
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gdavid

If TT haven't brought the cablelink for FTTC they couldn't wholesale for any other ISP either.

You have to decide whether to wait and see if they do, or if it is worth moving to a BT hosted ISP ( or Sky if they have brought a link) for the extra 2Mb down and doubled upstream speed.

Not sure it is worth it regardless for the small increase you will get, you must be over a mile from the Cab for those figures. Could check your home wiring first as that may have more impact and any improvement will also get you closer to the clean High figures.


That is why I was looking at the town locations to see if it was available. Assumed that since they had a LLU presence there then they would also provide fibre, but as you have explained there is more to it than that.

Thanks for the explanation.

Regards


David
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