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Standard User steve14
(newbie) Thu 13-Oct-16 09:33:49
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Any chance of any ISP's offering FFTPoD?


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Has any ISP's hinted that they might offer FTTPoD anytime soon? Or is it still dead in the water?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 13-Oct-16 09:39:24
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Spectrum Internet?

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Standard User steve14
(newbie) Thu 13-Oct-16 09:43:47
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Thanks MrSaffron. You are incredibly fast to reply and always very knowledgeable.

In case anyone was wondering https://spectruminternet.com/business-broadband/fttp...

£1600 connection fee and £170 a month. I doubt that includes VAT either. I wouldn't mind the one off connection fee, but the monthly fee would kill it for me. It would have to be under £100.


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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Thu 13-Oct-16 09:54:35
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That just isn't going to happen, Steve. Cost price to them from Openreach for your connection to the exchange is nearly £120 a month, ignoring any of their own costs.

Sorry.
Standard User WelshWArrior
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 13-Oct-16 09:57:46
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Connection starts at £1599 + VAT and it's unlikely you'd get it that cheap. It'll probably cost a lot more than that unless there are already people in your area using it, meaning that the necessary kit has already been installed.

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Thu 13-Oct-16 10:20:10
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Connection starts at £1599 + VAT and it's unlikely you'd get it that cheap. It'll probably cost a lot more than that unless there are already people in your area using it, meaning that the necessary kit has already been installed.


The connection cost isn't affected by whether there are people in the area using it, it's distance based from the local aggregation node, built for FTTC.

The exception is where there may have been excess construction costs previously that have been taken care of by an earlier subscriber.
Standard User WelshWArrior
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 13-Oct-16 10:26:50
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Oh ok.

For some reason, I thought that a distribution point had to be built closer to the customer's home so that cost was included in the cost of the first connection.

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 13-Oct-16 11:01:45
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That just isn't going to happen, Steve. Cost price to them from Openreach for your connection to the exchange is nearly £120 a month, ignoring any of their own costs.

Sorry.


But why does Openreach charge ISPs considerably more in monthly service costs for FoD than native FTTP? If its because Openreach have already subsidised the one-off construction costs with higher monthly charges then that's grossly unfair, because then how long do you continue to pay the inflated monthly charges for? 1 year, 5 years, 20 years or a lifetime? IMHO Openreach should charge the end user the actual one-off construction costs and then the monthly costs should be in line with native FTTP.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 13-Oct-16 12:02:28
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The £99+VAT charge lasts 3 years, then reverts to GEA-FTTP pricing and you can also change product speed at that point.

It is too offset the costs of the custom install, which are not apparently not fully offset by the higher install fee in the first place.

What many forget is that then prices of £800-£1500 are quoted for FTTH costs in news, these are based on 100% roll-out to premises in an area.

Or put another way, Openreach have claimed that the one-off construction costs would be higher otherwise.

To date Ofcom has shown little interest in regulating GEA-FTTP pricing, concentrating on GEA-FTTC - which is odd given the noise from the current boss about wanting more FTTP.

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Thu 13-Oct-16 12:13:35
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Oh ok.

For some reason, I thought that a distribution point had to be built closer to the customer's home so that cost was included in the cost of the first connection.


Nope, they happily charge exactly the same whether they are building out from the node or just adding a drop to an existing splitter smile
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