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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Fri 13-Jan-17 17:57:20
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Re: Openreach to rollout 3dB target SNRm for FTTC next year


[re: Icaras] [link to this post]
 
an engineer can do something about, its called a pair swap wink
they could also replace bundles with less densily populated bundles to reduce likelyhood and extremity of crosstalk.

Of course these things take up time and money so they like people to think nothing can be done about it. smile

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Standard User MCM
(knowledge is power) Fri 13-Jan-17 18:37:45
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Re: Openreach to rollout 3dB target SNRm for FTTC next year


[re: Chrysalis] [link to this post]
 
Of course these things take up time and money
And there's the rub. Money for improvement is in short supply given that the vast majority of users seem hellbent on paying as little as they possibly can for broadband access with large numbers gravitating towards the cheapest supplier that they can find.

BT OR & perhaps also VM might be able to improve their respective systems if they charged more however this would be considered unacceptable by many especially so those ISPs who seem to feel that BT OR should be supplying first class connectivity, preferably FTTP, for next to nothing regardless of the cost to BT which like the ISPs is essentially a private company rather than a charity.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 13-Jan-17 18:40:13
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Re: Openreach to rollout 3dB target SNRm for FTTC next year


[re: Chrysalis] [link to this post]
 
A pair swap would be a trial and error thing, and no way of knowing if in another week another user goes live in the bundle and gives you even worse cross talk.

The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.


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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Fri 13-Jan-17 19:37:13
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Re: Openreach to rollout 3dB target SNRm for FTTC next year


[re: MrSaffron] [link to this post]
 
true, but its still not the same as stating they powerless.

a guy on kitz after the openreach exec team got involved had a speed issue resolved, when management approve it suddenly they can get things done.

They redug a trench, fed some new cable through and swapped his port at the cabinet all in a single day.

Normal support channels got him nowhere.

His experience has shown what can happen when the CP is taken out of the equation and we deal with openreach direct.

Without CPs been in the middle openreach also can take a larger revenue as the CP middle man mark up is removed from the relationship as well.

I see CPs been involved in the line retal arrangement as akin to a letting agent renting out properties, they are a useless leech.

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Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 13-Jan-17 19:43:25)

Standard User MCM
(knowledge is power) Fri 13-Jan-17 19:59:08
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Re: Openreach to rollout 3dB target SNRm for FTTC next year


[re: Chrysalis] [link to this post]
 
I see CPs been involved in the line rental arrangement as akin to a letting agent renting out properties, they are a useless leech.
I and suspect many others wholeheartedly agree with your statement.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 13-Jan-17 20:50:55
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Re: Openreach to rollout 3dB target SNRm for FTTC next year


[re: MrSaffron] [link to this post]
 
Completely agree Mr.S.

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 13-Jan-17 20:58:01
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Re: Openreach to rollout 3dB target SNRm for FTTC next year


[re: MCM] [link to this post]
 
Hear hear.

Standard User AndyHCZ
(committed) Fri 13-Jan-17 21:02:47
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[re: Chrysalis] [link to this post]
 
How much do you think this issue cost to resolve?
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Fri 13-Jan-17 21:44:24
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Re: Openreach to rollout 3dB target SNRm for FTTC next year


[re: AndyHCZ] [link to this post]
 
the wages of 2 men 6 hours work.

I dont know what equipment was used to do the digging.

How is that relevant to if something is possible or not?

If something isnt done due to it been deemed too expensive that is not the same as something been not possible.

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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Fri 13-Jan-17 21:50:07
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Re: Openreach to rollout 3dB target SNRm for FTTC next year


[re: MCM] [link to this post]
 
of course you only referring to CPs not end users, as CPs are openreach customers.

CPs can quite easily misjudge what is what.

Just because CPs agree silly arrangements like only accepting a minimum sin test been carried out on a line to see if its voice capable, it doesnt mean end users would agree to such nonsense.

e.g. in my own case I have paid circa £960 in line rental that has been passed onto openreach at this address, all the callouts that have occured since then have probably not reached that figure in costs to openreach.

Not to mention the number of properties where line rental is paid and there is no callouts whatsoever, line rental is like the insurance business, some customers will not be profitable but the majority will be and that subsidises those who are not.

I am surprised some are trying to defend this openreach and middleman CP arrangement and the current service levels in place. Even openreach themselves have said its not satisfactory.

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Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 13-Jan-17 21:54:41)

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