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Standard User iand
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 26-May-17 18:12:34
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FTTP On Demand


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So FTTP on demand is now showing for my address for up to 330M. Who could I actually order from for this service?. Who are people using?

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Standard User Saltank
(committed) Fri 26-May-17 20:27:35
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Do a search on the Forum for FFPoD, it's not as easy as it sounds. Expensive set-up and monthly fees (£100's).

Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 26-May-17 21:40:04
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Currently only Fluidone sell the Openreach variant of FTTPoD, if you live in SW England/S Wales then Spectrum Internet may be able to supply you as well.

I have the service on order from Fluidone, cost me £3700 in setup costs and 300 notes per month in service charges on a 3 year min term. After 3 years I can take out a native FTTP product with significantly lower monthly charges. My service is almost live, just waiting for BT Wholesale/Openreach to transfer the FTTP line over to Fluidone. Took ~ 3 months for the FTTPoD installation.

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Edited by baby_frogmella (Fri 26-May-17 21:48:17)


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Standard User pernickitypedant
(newbie) Fri 26-May-17 22:04:58
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Re: FTTP On Demand


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Is there any prospect of there being a higher upload speed on the FTTPoD service? Seems a total waste to pay the enormous expense of installing a new fibre cable when the upload is "only" 30Mbit/s!

I really mean to say, is your current installation forwards compatible with when/if Openreach/BTW decide to actually sell a 1000/220 or similar FTTPoD service. It's in the price lists already but I take it they're not offering it yet.

Also, how the hell did you finance the installation? Loan? Or did you just have that amount floating around...

My setup: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A VDSL2 modem/router & dual-line AAISP/Sipgate SIP modem. AAISP Home::1 80/20 150GB + copper pair on TTB (by req). Sync: 79987/20000 kbit/s, attainable ~91-94000/31-32000 kbit/s via ~180m of 1985 copper to ECI Cabinet 14, Milford Exchange (WMMFD)

BQM: IPv4 & IPv6

ISP Hx: Wanadoo ~2Mb (Orange takeover) > Freedom2Surf ~4Mb (TalkTalk takeover) > Virgin Media 10->30->50->70Mb (unnecessary second line as work reqd BT) > BT Inf 2 80Mb (04/17 rises, no retention offer) > Virgin Media 100Mb (awful pings) > AAISP 80Mb
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 26-May-17 22:05:30
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Re: FTTP On Demand


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Doesn't BT Business claim to do it? I read something earlier that suggested it, when I searched these forums.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 63018/13016Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 26-May-17 22:15:12
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What Openreach provide for ISPs to order, and what ISPs then choose to offer to potential customers are two very different things.

Openreach are simply providing one underlying product with a few speed caps below the maximum. It used to be called "charging for facilities" or similar. Whether it still is I don't know.

ISPs have to look at the costs of providing backhaul for what are in mass-market terms extreme products, that are unlikely to have much take-up for at least five years. So not recouping the backhaul costs for a very long time. It is oft-publicised that most domestic users take the lowest fibre offering they can.

Medium-sized businesses act very similarly. Big business isn't in this market. They have specialist providers with specialist support and service guarantees. A few of those may already offer it, but they certainly won't be advertising where we might see it.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 63018/13016Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 26-May-17 22:27:44
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In reply to a post by pernickitypedant:
I really mean to say, is your current installation forwards compatible with when/if Openreach/BTW decide to actually sell a 1000/220 or similar FTTPoD service. It's in the price lists already but I take it they're not offering it yet.

Correct, once you have FTTPoD installed then you should be able to upgrade to the higher speed 500mbps & 1gbps packages with better upload speeds - after the 3 year min term if not during the term. But as you say, no ISP is selling the higher tier packages yet despite OR announcing them a few months ago. Also i believe 330/30 FTTP(oD) users will eventually get 50mbps upload speeds in order to match G.Fast max upload speeds.

In reply to a post by pernickitypedant:
Also, how the hell did you finance the installation? Loan? Or did you just have that amount floating around...

Being a full time drug dealer cum pimp helps wink

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Edited by baby_frogmella (Fri 26-May-17 22:33:49)

Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 26-May-17 22:31:54
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Doesn't BT Business claim to do it? I read something earlier that suggested it, when I searched these forums.


Nup, BT Biz don't sell FTTPoD anymore. Though chances are their incompetent sales staff will provide a quote however the order will fail.

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/f/4526073-bt-...

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 26-May-17 22:44:57
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Ah, yes. That was the thread. I was lazy and didn't re-read it all. Sorry.

On the main question though I seem to remember that the initial 330/30 and the newer faster ones are not using the same infrastructure kit? That it isn't a straight software switch to upgrade. Different hardware somewhere in the fibre run.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 63018/13016Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 26-May-17 22:45:35)

Standard User jdigz7
(learned) Sat 27-May-17 03:14:41
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Do you know how far you were from your local DP and cabinet? I'm 12m from the Drop Point and 375m from the cabinet. So I'm guessing they would have to blow fiber to the DP 375m.

It's also worth noting that VMBusiness are now providing their leased line options(In this area,) through this. I was given a quote for 100/100 with free install based on a 349 monthly term for 3 years obviously the tails are different but the physical fiber they were going to lay had no way of being anywhere other that through the Openreach ducting as the sales guy provided the exact same details BT gave me on how close i was to their closest node.

Would be nice to see some stats and routes your connection takes also the latency you are provided to London and europe once it's live if thats possible smile.
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