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Standard User broadbandman
(learned) Wed 10-Jan-18 23:05:28
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I can finally get FTTP/FTTC, question?


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so BT been doing some works lately and now page says I can order FTTP.. 300mbs! My max is ADSL 5mb.. I cant wait to order

BT 300mb FTTP is 60 a month, do you think its worth ringing BT tomorrow and calling their bluff and saying I want to cancel bt landline and BT sport, and hope they give me a good package deal? anyone tried that?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 10-Jan-18 23:08:32
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If you are on ADSL now, then the best deal will be the pricing shown for the FTTP options, i.e. there is no under cutting that, only at contract renewal when prices revert to standard pricing can negotiation kick in.

You say FTTP/FTTC in the subject, are you certain that you are not confusing FTTP on Demand with native FTTP and its actually VDSL2 that you can get

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Standard User broadbandman
(learned) Wed 10-Jan-18 23:11:15
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If you are on ADSL now, then the best deal will be the pricing shown for the FTTP options, i.e. there is no under cutting that, only at contract renewal when prices revert to standard pricing can negotiation kick in.

You say FTTP/FTTC in the subject, are you certain that you are not confusing FTTP on Demand with native FTTP and its actually VDSL2 that you can get


How do I check that? Openreach was digging up my road 2 months ago, theyve been littered around area for months. I checked fttc checker on openreach today and it says I can get " superfast fibre to premises " I put my postcode in BT checker and it says I can get the 300mb option

I dont have current broadband with BT, I have ti with sky. I do have lind line and BT sport with BT, and tempted to say to them I want to cancel and hope they give me a good deal on moving broadband over in attempt for me to stay


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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 10-Jan-18 23:15:21
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Re: I can finally get FTTP/FTTC, question?


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All depends on what BT checker you mean, some have no scope for confusion and others do, what URL was the checker you used

BT knows it is pretty much the only big ISP that sells the FTTP product, so your choice is less about price and more about do you want to stay with ADSL or go with FTTP

If cost is a key concern then just order the BT Infinity 1 Unlimited service at a time when the Reward Card values are high, i.e. £125 or £150

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Standard User broadbandman
(learned) Wed 10-Jan-18 23:18:07
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All depends on what BT checker you mean, some have no scope for confusion and others do, what URL was the checker you used

BT knows it is pretty much the only big ISP that sells the FTTP product, so your choice is less about price and more about do you want to stay with ADSL or go with FTTP

If cost is a key concern then just order the BT Infinity 1 Unlimited service at a time when the Reward Card values are high, i.e. £125 or £150


https://www.homeandbusiness.openreach.co.uk/fibre-br...

This is the checker I used, is this right?

this one https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/adsl.htm?s...

shows..

WBC FTTP Upto 330 Upto 30 -- Available 1 Stage

it also says

Our records show the following FTTP network service information for these premises:- Single Dwelling Unit Residential UG partial Direct In Ground

Edited by broadbandman (Wed 10-Jan-18 23:23:29)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 10-Jan-18 23:33:23
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Okay its native GEA-FTTP so you have the up to 38, 52, 76, 200 and 300 Mbps product options

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/isps/bt/packages/unli...

Infinity 1 up to 52 Mbps £29.99 per month and that includes the line rental, so depending on what you are paying Sky the total might be less already

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Standard User broadbandman
(learned) Wed 10-Jan-18 23:35:11
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Okay its native GEA-FTTP so you have the up to 38, 52, 76, 200 and 300 Mbps product options

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/isps/bt/packages/unli...

Infinity 1 up to 52 Mbps £29.99 per month and that includes the line rental, so depending on what you are paying Sky the total might be less already


I've been used to 5mb/s a sec since 2004, so I will definitely be going for the 300mb product, definitely want to make most of it smile I deserve it

so 60 a month with a 125 reward card, including line rental.. so really only 45 a month, not bad I suppose

btw, whats the usual install time?

Edited by broadbandman (Wed 10-Jan-18 23:35:33)

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Thu 11-Jan-18 00:02:32
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Re: I can finally get FTTP/FTTC, question?


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If you are on ADSL now, then the best deal will be the pricing shown for the FTTP options, i.e. there is no under cutting that, only at contract renewal when prices revert to standard pricing can negotiation kick in.

That's what we did and we got a very very good deal.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
You say FTTP/FTTC in the subject, are you certain that you are not confusing FTTP on Demand with native FTTP and its actually VDSL2 that you can get

Well that price of £60 pm was what ours went to without line rental when we was out of contract.
So that sounds like FTTP to me, but I have been wrong in the past.

Paul

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Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Thu 11-Jan-18 00:11:17
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Re: I can finally get FTTP/FTTC, question?


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I've been used to 5mb/s a sec since 2004, so I will definitely be going for the 300mb product, definitely want to make most of it smile I deserve it

Yeah, we were stuck with an average of 3.2Mbits ranging from 1Mbit to 5.5Mbit.
Well if money isn't an issue Infinity 4 (300Mbits) is best for the buck per Mbit.

In reply to a post by broadbandman:
so 60 a month with a 125 reward card, including line rental.. so really only 45 a month, not bad I suppose

Thats not bad.

In reply to a post by broadbandman:
btw, whats the usual install time?

Well once we finally got all our issues resolved which I won't get into, ours was done in 2 stages over 2 to 3 days, but the Chairman's Office and the CEO of BT was involved, but with a 2 stage install there is normally around a week between the external and internal work.

Not really sure about a 1 stage install.

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Standard User broadbandman
(learned) Thu 11-Jan-18 00:13:59
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Well once we finally got all our issues resolved which I won't get into, ours was done in 2 stages over 2 to 3 days, but the Chairman's Office and the CEO of BT was involved, but with a 2 stage install there is normally around a week between the external and internal work.

Not really sure about a 1 stage install.

Paul


did they have to dig up around your house?
Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Thu 11-Jan-18 01:35:21
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Re: I can finally get FTTP/FTTC, question?


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In reply to a post by broadbandman:
In reply to a post by PaulKirby:
Well once we finally got all our issues resolved which I won't get into, ours was done in 2 stages over 2 to 3 days, but the Chairman's Office and the CEO of BT was involved, but with a 2 stage install there is normally around a week between the external and internal work.

Not really sure about a 1 stage install.

Paul


did they have to dig up around your house?

Nope, all fibres from DP goes up phone pole to the Manifold and then hangs to the CSP on the wall of my house.

I am just guessing here but if yours requires digging then planning permission may / will be requested and have to be approved which "can" take a while to be processed and then the work gets a scheduled date and once completed engineers "should" then be allocated / booked.

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Standard User broadbandman
(learned) Thu 11-Jan-18 10:08:02
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Re: I can finally get FTTP/FTTC, question?


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so I rang BT and said I'm moving to zen do I need a pac code? ( I'm not stupid, but it was a way for me to ring them, or else I wouldnt need to do anything )

they said " no, why are you leaving"

I said because cerebus is offering 300mb/s cheaper, so they gave me 300mb infinity 300 for 48 a month including line rental, and dropped my bt sport price from 25 a month to 5 a month, so quids in
Standard User broadbandman
(learned) Thu 11-Jan-18 10:53:14
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Re: I can finally get FTTP/FTTC, question?


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technical question, if I want to connect the BT hub to a computer upstairs via ethernet, will any ethernet cable do or do I need a special one for these speeds?
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 11-Jan-18 11:29:15
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Re: I can finally get FTTP/FTTC, question?


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Assuming this is just internal cabling then a standard ethernet cable, at least cat5e. Will you need to put it through walls? If so you can do smaller holes by buying a reel of cable and then terminating yourself (easiest way being to terminate with a wall socket each end that way you don't need specialist crimping tools).
Standard User broadbandman
(learned) Thu 11-Jan-18 11:36:27
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In reply to a post by ian72:
Assuming this is just internal cabling then a standard ethernet cable, at least cat5e. Will you need to put it through walls? If so you can do smaller holes by buying a reel of cable and then terminating yourself (easiest way being to terminate with a wall socket each end that way you don't need specialist crimping tools).


there are already holes where my phone line cable goes from phone hub downstairs to my PC, I just wanted to know if I needed a special rated ethernet cable
Standard User robertcrowther
(member) Thu 11-Jan-18 11:44:21
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As you are going for an FTTP service then I would go for CAT6, as this way you would be covered when FTTP get's faster speeds.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 11-Jan-18 11:58:53
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Cat5e will very happily do gigabit - I'm guessing that will keep most people going for quite a while. Cat5e is the minimum - cat6 might possibly be worth it.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 11-Jan-18 11:59:45
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I assume the holes are fairly large? It needs a reasonable diameter hole to fit the plug of an ethernet cable through - if they are large then fine but worth being sure.
Standard User robertcrowther
(member) Thu 11-Jan-18 12:09:53
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In theory Cat5e can do gigabit speeds, but in practice it just falls short. Which is why when I install networks for people who have FTTP I always put in at least CAT6, that way they can have such things as NAS devices running at full speed without fear of loosing any speed and it also future proofs them up to 10 gigabit internet speeds.

Edited by robertcrowther (Thu 11-Jan-18 12:10:32)

Standard User robertcrowther
(member) Thu 11-Jan-18 12:14:35
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In reply to a post by ian72:
I assume the holes are fairly large? It needs a reasonable diameter hole to fit the plug of an ethernet cable through - if they are large then fine but worth being sure.


generally you don't use patch cables, therefore you either use keystones or just a punchdown faceplate. So the holes don't need to be so big.
Standard User broadbandman
(regular) Thu 11-Jan-18 13:18:25
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In reply to a post by ian72:
I assume the holes are fairly large? It needs a reasonable diameter hole to fit the plug of an ethernet cable through - if they are large then fine but worth being sure.


yeah they are decently sized, I have ethernet cables to test but I would need a long one. First engineer visit is on 22nd, then in house work on 31. Be interested to see what they say about the outside part first
Standard User broadbandman
(regular) Thu 11-Jan-18 13:36:02
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one last question

I'm currently on SKY ADSL, my contract with them ends in march, I will pay up last remaining 2 months

BT said they will contact SKY to take over the line, I presume that won't be an issue? I don't want to ring sky and cancel and have no internet for 2 weeks
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 11-Jan-18 14:04:02
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In reply to a post by robertcrowther:
generally you don't use patch cables, therefore you either use keystones or just a punchdown faceplate. So the holes don't need to be so big.
I am well aware of that and why I advised not doing so but also gave advice if the OP still wants to follow that route.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 11-Jan-18 17:07:32
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one last question

I'm currently on SKY ADSL, my contract with them ends in march, I will pay up last remaining 2 months

BT said they will contact SKY to take over the line, I presume that won't be an issue? I don't want to ring sky and cancel and have no internet for 2 weeks
You are in effect migrating your broadband using the current system that replaced the MAC system.

You do not contact Sky at all at this stage. Doing so is what could cause a mess-up.

The system is "Gaining Provider led", in effect controlled completely by the gaining ISP. When you place the order with BT, Sky will be notified and should send you a communication telling you anything you will need to pay to settle your account. They are not allowed to initiate an offers to you to get you to stay, but can respond if you ask for offers. (Which you won't be doing).

See Ofcom GC22 Paragraphs 22.10 - 22.13, and 22.15.

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Standard User eckiedoo
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 11-Jan-18 18:59:21
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Check your phone line length from the existing PCP DP plus any extra from that PCP to the new FTTC.

That line length is a major factor in what VDSL speed you will get in practice.

Your phone line may be strangely routed.

"My" FTTC is 10 Metres from my front door.

The PCP is about 40 Metres, on a green-field site and this was the show-house.

BUT the actual phone line length is about 350 Metres, confirmed by a BT engineer and myself actually tracing it; plus another 50 Metres linking the FTTC to the PCP, so on the cusp where the VDSL maximum speed starts to drop of sharply.

-------------

Also try to ensure that you are getting maximum performance out of your present ADSL, particularly doing Quiet Line Tests etc.

Easier to sort out before VDSL is installed.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 11-Jan-18 19:30:10
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The poster is getting FTTP wink.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 12-Jan-18 17:04:52
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How does Cat5e fall short? Ethernet is either 10Mbps, 100 Mbps or 1000 Mbps connections and no intermediate connection speeds.

If cat5e was not connecting at 1000 Mbps then likely the cable was CCA type, copper coated aluminium which is cheaper and can be problematic on longer runs.

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Standard User broadbandman
(regular) Fri 12-Jan-18 18:15:05
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How does Cat5e fall short? Ethernet is either 10Mbps, 100 Mbps or 1000 Mbps connections and no intermediate connection speeds.

If cat5e was not connecting at 1000 Mbps then likely the cable was CCA type, copper coated aluminium which is cheaper and can be problematic on longer runs.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01N8Y8TFI/ref=o...

I ordered that before, I hope it will suffice
Standard User robertcrowther
(member) Fri 12-Jan-18 18:30:26
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I hope you can cancel your order as those cables are a con and are not cat7, they are not even to cat5. You only need to read some of the reviews to see that people have complained about them.

Be very careful when buying cat7. I've had so many of my customers contact me because they baught cheap cables thinking they were cat7 when they weren't
Standard User robertcrowther
(member) Fri 12-Jan-18 18:32:43
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If you do a speed test from lets say a gigabit NAS drive using cat5e quite often the speed is just a little below gigabit speeds. So this does not allow for future speed increases. Bettter to install once than having to replace (more cost effective)
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 12-Jan-18 18:34:53
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And so it should be since GigE has a throughput limit of 940 Mbps due to overheads in the transport protocols

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Standard User robertcrowther
(member) Fri 12-Jan-18 18:40:32
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When using CAT6 cables I get around 113MB/s, but when using CAT5e it drops down to around 102MB/s. This is why I would always recommend CAT6 over CAT5e if someone is having FTTP becuase they are more likely at some point to be using larger media files.
Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 12-Jan-18 18:43:00
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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/5gbps-ethern...

Seems my cat5e I installed in our house is pretty future proof. Two and half times what I have will be plenty for years to come.

Standard User broadbandman
(regular) Fri 12-Jan-18 18:46:34
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In reply to a post by robertcrowther:
I hope you can cancel your order as those cables are a con and are not cat7, they are not even to cat5. You only need to read some of the reviews to see that people have complained about them.

Be very careful when buying cat7. I've had so many of my customers contact me because they baught cheap cables thinking they were cat7 when they weren't


Yep, just cancelled it. Who knew buying cables would be tricky
Standard User robertcrowther
(member) Fri 12-Jan-18 18:49:52
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In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/5gbps-ethern...

Seems my cat5e I installed in our house is pretty future proof. Two and half times what I have will be plenty for years to come.


Shame you didn't read what you posted " 5 Gigabit Ethernet—also allows for up to 5Gbps over Cat 6 cabling."

It means to get that speed you will have to replace your cat5e with at least cat6
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 12-Jan-18 19:54:01
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In reply to a post by robertcrowther:
In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/5gbps-ethern...

Seems my cat5e I installed in our house is pretty future proof. Two and half times what I have will be plenty for years to come.
Shame you didn't read what you posted " 5 Gigabit Ethernet—also allows for up to 5Gbps over Cat 6 cabling."

It means to get that speed you will have to replace your cat5e with at least cat6
I have to laugh!

Maybe you should read what RONSKI posted ... then compare it with the beginning of:-
A new Ethernet standard that allows for up to 2.5Gbps over normal Cat 5e cables (the ones you probably have in your house) has been approved by the IEEE. The standard—formally known as IEEE 802.3bz-2016, 2.5G/5GBASE-T, or just 2.5 and 5 Gigabit Ethernet—also allows for up to 5Gbps over Cat 6 cabling.
It seems to fit precisely. He didn't claim the final part of that paragraph, did he!

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Standard User robertcrowther
(member) Fri 12-Jan-18 20:11:36
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So an acticle from 2016, what happend then to these speeds? Oh wait, yep that's right reality (it's called cost). Cheaper to get some CAT6 cables, some cheap NICs from a well known auction site for less than 25 pounds and if by magic you have a 10 Gigabit network.

Those that want to hang onto Cat 5e be my guest. I guess it gives me more customers when they finally wake up from their dream. Though I prefer being the good guy and tell people they are making a mistake. I see a lot eveyday that don't.
Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 12-Jan-18 21:58:33
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It's a real shame you didn't read what I wrote wink

In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
Seems my cat5e I installed in our house is pretty future proof. Two and half times what I have will be plenty for years to come.


A new Ethernet standard that allows for up to 2.5Gbps over normal Cat 5e cables (the ones you probably have in your house)

1Gbps x 2.5 = 2.5Gbps

Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 12-Jan-18 22:14:48
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The reality is that I started fitting cat5e in my house in 2002, if I ever need more than what that can cope with I will replace it, but so far it's served me well for 16 years.

Currently the average household just doesn't need 10Gbps networking, I'd say I'm well above the average household and I certainly don't need it, and even if I did have it my server wouldn't be able to read and write to its discs quick enough to make much use of it. I have a 24 port switch with not many spare ports, so the whole house is well served, so links are not over saturated.

However if I was starting afresh then yes it would make sense, but just to replace my existing network cables because you think it's a mistake to hang on to them is a plain waste of my time.

Standard User robertcrowther
(member) Fri 12-Jan-18 22:20:33
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No offense, but we are talking about what cables to install now it's 2018, not 2002.

I have several servers at home and even my old one from 2012 could cope with it.

Edited by robertcrowther (Fri 12-Jan-18 22:31:46)

Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 12-Jan-18 22:41:21
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No offence taken, I was replying to your reply to Robert which was in response to something I'd posted, so related to what id installed. But yes the main topic had shifted to what to install today, which is why I said if I was starting fresh I would install cat6.

Standard User Davey_H
(regular) Sat 13-Jan-18 13:24:29
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In reply to a post by broadbandman:
so 60 a month with a 125 reward card, including line rental.. so really only 45 a month, not bad I suppose


Worth checking the cashback sites too.

When I signed up to BT I got £110 cash back on top of the £150 reward card they were offering at the time.
Standard User broadbandman
(regular) Sat 13-Jan-18 18:21:01
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is FTTP 1:1 or is there some sort of sharing between the neighbourhood?

It says 300mb, but the bt checker says 330, which one is it?
Standard User cymru123
(member) Sat 13-Jan-18 18:40:35
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WBC FTTP is a GPON architecture so the resources are shared between properties. It's a bit like a tree with a trunk and branches coming off as the light is split.

The 300mbps advertised speed is due to advertisement regulations.

There is some trials of 1Gbps over GPON
Standard User broadbandman
(regular) Sat 13-Jan-18 18:53:46
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Re: I can finally get FTTP/FTTC, question?


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WBC FTTP is a GPON architecture so the resources are shared between properties. It's a bit like a tree with a trunk and branches coming off as the light is split.

The 300mbps advertised speed is due to advertisement regulations.

There is some trials of 1Gbps over GPON


can't wait for the 1gbps fttp packages smile
Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sat 13-Jan-18 22:59:00
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is FTTP 1:1 or is there some sort of sharing between the neighbourhood?

It says 300mb, but the bt checker says 330, which one is it?
From your home to the exchange its shared by 32 people (via the Splitter Node) and then you get the sharing when you get onto the network.

And where each fibre going into the Splitter node is 2.5Gbps down and I think 1.2Gbps up, so if all 32 homes on the same split fibre hammers their connection and has the 300Mbps connection it will drop down to 78.125Mbps down, the upload will stay at 30Mbps.

Paul

BTBroadband - Infinity 4 312.47 Mbps (down), 29.78 Mbps (up) FVA
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Edited by PaulKirby (Sat 13-Jan-18 23:02:07)

Standard User broadbandman
(regular) Sun 14-Jan-18 14:28:41
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From your home to the exchange its shared by 32 people (via the Splitter Node) and then you get the sharing when you get onto the network.

And where each fibre going into the Splitter node is 2.5Gbps down and I think 1.2Gbps up, so if all 32 homes on the same split fibre hammers their connection and has the 300Mbps connection it will drop down to 78.125Mbps down, the upload will stay at 30Mbps.

Paul


that sounds good, Is there anyway I can blag the engineer to give me more than 300mbps or is it not technically possible?
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 14-Jan-18 15:54:19
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that sounds good, Is there anyway I can blag the engineer to give me more than 300mbps or is it not technically possible?
Nope. The Openreach product BT Consumer will order is 330/30 sync.

Anyway, smile. I wonder if you've really thought about this? I see:-
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I've been used to 5mb/s a sec since 2004, so I will definitely be going for the 300mb product, definitely want to make most of it smile I deserve it
How many people are going to use this FTTP, and at what times of day?

100Mbps is huge, 300Mbps far more than most households could possibly use after they have downloaded three-years-worth of films. If they have space to store them.

Unless you have extraordinarily high requirements, you will not "make the most of it", as you simply won't be able to use anything like all of it smile.

I accept that if you and your partner and (say) five kids are going to be streaming and gaming 20 hours a day I could be mistaken, but coming from 5Mbps surely it would take a while to develop a complete lifestyle from what you have now to that?

tongue wink smile smile tongue

Oh - and!!!

The guaranteed speed at peak times is something under 80Mbps throughput.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. 200GB. Sync 74496/13801Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6
Standard User broadbandman
(regular) Sun 14-Jan-18 16:20:32
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]Nope. The Openreach product BT Consumer will order is 330/30 sync.

Anyway, smile. I wonder if you've really thought about this? I see:-How many people are going to use this FTTP, and at what times of day?

100Mbps is huge, 300Mbps far more than most households could possibly use after they have downloaded three-years-worth of films. If they have space to store them.

Unless you have extraordinarily high requirements, you will not "make the most of it", as you simply won't be able to use anything like all of it smile.

I accept that if you and your partner and (say) five kids are going to be streaming and gaming 20 hours a day I could be mistaken, but coming from 5Mbps surely it would take a while to develop a complete lifestyle from what you have now to that?

tongue wink smile smile tongue

Oh - and!!!

The guaranteed speed at peak times is something under 80Mbps throughput.


I think I'm the only person on estate with FTTP, I live in a old community really

I have thought about it

PC games to download from stream, are around 40-60GB

Youtube HD 1080/144p, big file sizes

Streaming Sky Go / BT sport for football matches

Downloading films or watching NETFLIX at 4k

I think the real question is, how have I managed with 5meg all this time ? tongue
Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sun 14-Jan-18 19:19:02
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+1
If it was just me here I might of gone with Infinity 2 or maybe Infinity 3.

Paul

BTBroadband - Infinity 4 312.47 Mbps (down), 29.78 Mbps (up) FVA
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Standard User broadbandman
(regular) Sun 14-Jan-18 20:57:37
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+1
If it was just me here I might of gone with Infinity 2 or maybe Infinity 3.

Paul


I got infinity 4 for 47 a month including line rental, so not bad, I was paying 20 a month + 17 line rental for 5meg ADSL
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 14-Jan-18 22:20:11
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LOL smile

Some real prices do alter the assessment wink.

At that price I'm not going to argue much with your choice. I happily pay £49pm for (actual) 75/13 or so with a 200GB pm allowance which I hardly dent. To the extent that with the auto-carryover it has 345GB unused on Day 2 of my billing month.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. 200GB. Sync 74496/13801Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6

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(regular) Sun 14-Jan-18 23:50:59
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LOL smile

Some real prices do alter the assessment wink.

At that price I'm not going to argue much with your choice. I happily pay £49pm for (actual) 75/13 or so with a 200GB pm allowance which I hardly dent. To the extent that with the auto-carryover it has 345GB unused on Day 2 of my billing month.


Yeah, and infinity 4 is unlimited

I actually pay £20 a month too for a vodafone data sim with 50gb, so thats another saving really
Standard User astateoftrance
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 15-Jan-18 08:17:21
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Know how you feel! I am in a similar situation; currently have 5-6 Mbit ADSL but should have FTTP available soon. The current connection is really struggling now with 3 people gaming/streaming at the same time.

I will probably go for a 80/20 connection with PlusNet, who I am in the process of switching to. Think that will be a big enough improvement, for now at least smile and the price isn't much more than I am currently paying.
Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Mon 15-Jan-18 11:18:25
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I got infinity 4 for 47 a month including line rental, so not bad, I was paying 20 a month + 17 line rental for 5meg ADSL

We were paying £5 a month (not including line rental) for our 3-5Mbit ADSL2+ connection.

For our Infinity 4 we are paying about the same, would of been about £50 (without line rental) per month due to being out of contract.

So back in November / December last year I phoned up BT done a little haggling to the nice BT lady on the phone and we got around the same price if not a little lower (not by much though) so re-subbed for another 12 to 18 months.

So very happy I phoned them smile

Paul

BTBroadband - Infinity 4 312.47 Mbps (down), 29.78 Mbps (up) FVA
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Standard User broadbandman
(regular) Tue 16-Jan-18 12:23:24
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looks like sales lady messed up my order and put my on infinity 3 ( 200mb ) and i rang them today and they said I can just upgrade when its in to infinity 4.. saves cancelling it

he said it takes 24 hours to upgrade, is it really that fast?
Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Tue 16-Jan-18 13:47:45
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It could be faster it is only keyboard work to change a setting. Sales person enters the order it processes through the different systems from Retail to Wholesale to Openreach where it is actioned by the systems without any other person touching it.

For some changes they are done overnight but no reason for yours to be as it involves no downtime.

Completion is then reported back and changes your package on the front end.

Should be single touch. If you placed the order on a web front end it is possible to do it with NO touch within the supplier. ( I believe if you were with BT they can do this).
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