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Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Mon 21-May-18 08:16:14
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Openreach 1 Gig FTTP now 'available'


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The BT/OR checker is now showing availability for the 1000/220 Mbps (and up to) services on my FTTP line:

https://s9.postimg.cc/nd4da7a0f/BT_checker.jpg

However I can't find any CP selling the 1 Gig service just yet, though Zen do acknowledge that my line is capable of up to 1000/220 Mbps speeds:

https://s9.postimg.cc/neiwh5ylb/Zen_broadband.jpg

Sales of these higher speed tiers seems to be imminent.... smile

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Edited by baby_frogmella (Mon 21-May-18 08:16:48)

Standard User ferretuk
(member) Mon 21-May-18 10:46:16
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Re: Openreach 1 Gig FTTP now 'available'


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Just because OR/BTW have the product available doesn't mean that ISP's are geared up to support it (yet). A responsible ISP will be evaluating the impact on their network links and contemplating investment accordingly I would think?

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Mon 21-May-18 11:20:03
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Re: Openreach 1 Gig FTTP now 'available'


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In reply to a post by ferretuk:
Just because OR/BTW have the product available doesn't mean that ISP's are geared up to support it (yet). A responsible ISP will be evaluating the impact on their network links and contemplating investment accordingly I would think?


Actually Openreach announced the higher speed tiers in 2016/2017 so ispís have had plenty of preparation time. No, whatís happened is that BT wholesale are now able to sell these higher speeds to ISPs - and btw will only sell it if they know the demand is there from CPs. I suspect it will be just one or two niche ISPís such as Cerberus who sell these services initially before the likes of BT retail join in.

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Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Mon 21-May-18 11:39:38
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Re: Openreach 1 Gig FTTP now 'available'


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I can't see BT Retail jumping in on this, BT Business maybe.
It will probably be targeted at business customers, especially the hefty install fee (£500 etc VAT).

Tough luck to those connected to ECI OLT's in the exchange. This will likely never be available to them.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 21-May-18 12:29:02
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Install is higher to pay for the XGPON optics needed

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Mon 21-May-18 13:24:56
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Re: Openreach 1 Gig FTTP now 'available'


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Install is higher to pay for the XGPON optics needed


Indeedy. XGPON is not required to deliver 1Gb down, 220Mb up, however Openreach have made the decision to require it for 500Mb and up. This is entirely unnecessary but their call.
Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Mon 21-May-18 14:55:51
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A very sensible call I think, One 1Gb customer on 2.5Gb would start to have a significant impact on the other potential 31 customers leaving 48Mb each before speed started to be restricted, 2 customers could cause significant complaints.

At least by insisting on XGPON from day1 OR will have some control over the potential issues and the customer requiring the higher service will be the ones to pay for it. They would be the first to complain if they started getting restricted below their 1Gb/220Mb.OR are rightly assuming that these customers are running a business even if they are at a residential address and will expect a business type service.
Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Mon 21-May-18 17:08:19
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Not really. Pretty paranoid. The odds of 32 devices hitting 2.4Gb/s between them are extremely low. Average peak usage is still a couple of megabits per second.

Pretty much everywhere that offers a gigabit is offering it over EPON or GPON, rather than the 10G variants and they do fine. They even offer symmetrical gigabit rather than capping at just 220Mb and there are relatively few complaints.

The average VM area has 250+ people sharing 1.2Gb/s and the average speed on the 350Mb/s tier is higher than 350Mb. There's no need at all to insist on XGPON for a gigabit as far as capacity planning goes. The bottlenecks are far more likely to be on the other end of the OLT, not the one reaching consumers. smile
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 21-May-18 17:43:58
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Probably explains why we see so few really good Gigabit looking speeds from TalkTalk in York when that is the only speed they sell, or 95% of people do not own devices with an Ethernet port or even bother to use it.

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Mon 21-May-18 18:05:54
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The odds of 32 devices hitting 2.4Gb/s between them are extremely low.


Perhaps in residential areas but certainly not in areas where most/all of the FTTP connections are business customers, eg in business parks. Let's not forget that BT/Openreach offers FTTP to both residential and business customers and most of the 1 Gig customers are likely to be biz customers (at least initially). Of course FTTP - whether supplied to residential or business customers - is still a shared service on the BTW/OR platform but at least by having XGPON fibre from exchange to premises you reduce the possibility of congestion on this segment.

Just a shame that Openreach still insist on not having truly symmetrical speeds on FTTP, but hey ho their lucrative leased line revenue has to be protected frown

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Edited by baby_frogmella (Mon 21-May-18 18:07:00)

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