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Standard User Hugh3226
(newbie) Fri 10-Aug-18 10:17:36
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Risk and Method Statement


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Our order for FTTP is with BT.

Openreach turn up and decide they need to dig.
Landlord's managing agent demands a "risk and method statement" before allowing Openreach to dig.
Openreach engineer says "No way are we doing anymore paperwork".

What do I do?
Standard User 512uk
(learned) Fri 10-Aug-18 10:28:09
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Shouldn't Openreach be obliged to provide that, or have standard RAMS for this scenario?

Sounds like that is just a poor attitude of the individual engineer and not necessarily of the organisation.

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Standard User Hugh3226
(newbie) Fri 10-Aug-18 10:35:35
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Yes, from what he said, I suspect the engineer is on some sort of piece-work.

But communicating with BT or Openreach is about as easy as having two tin cans connected by string.

I'm amazed the RAMS is not something they have ready-to-go. A few tick boxes and a signature should do it.

It's taken 24 months to get from "Its coming soon" to "available to order". Now there is another barrier.

Anyone got any ideas how to get through the fog?

Regards
Hugh


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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 10-Aug-18 10:36:29
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Re: Risk and Method Statement


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Ask the Landlords Managing Agent ?

Standard User Hugh3226
(newbie) Fri 10-Aug-18 10:39:34
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I have asked everyone in the loop to do their best.
And everyone says they will except Openreach who just say no.
The technician on site just refers to his "fibre lead" who says "no more paperwork".
Sigh.
Regards
Hugh
Standard User witchunt
(experienced) Fri 10-Aug-18 11:02:32
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Engineer May not have it but his back office support should. You should relay the requirement back via your ISP and they should update openreach on the requirement.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 10-Aug-18 13:52:13
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So what exactly is this work that your landlords agents require a method statement for ?

Bear in mind that Openreach staff do this stuff all day every day - and work to guidelines set out by their company ..... their contractors also.

Standard User Sherburn
(newbie) Fri 10-Aug-18 14:40:25
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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
Bear in mind that Openreach staff do this stuff all day every day - and work to guidelines set out by their company ..... their contractors also.


All the more reason they should have proforma RAMS ready to sign and hand over. If you're doing any work involving power tools on premises that are likely to be covered by someone else's liability insurance then you should know better than to expect to pitch up and be allowed to do what you want.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 10-Aug-18 15:54:35
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But surely any liability would be covered by Openreach insurance not the sites? Openreach would have public liability insurance for their work so it shouldn't be down to who has the insurance.
Standard User partial
(experienced) Fri 10-Aug-18 21:15:14
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Openreach have a bunch of generic RAMS that can be produced. It just means delays.
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