General Discussion
  >> Fibre Broadband


Register (or login) on our website and you will not see this ad.


Pages in this thread: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | (show all)   Print Thread
Standard User griff_90
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 02-Nov-18 13:00:12
Print Post

FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Retron] [link to this post]
 
Estimated Build Cost: Unable to offer an estimate using desk survey tools. Onsite survey required to confirm charges


Number of premises passed for FTTP:


That's really helpful and no I haven't accidentally misquoted. There just a blank space after number of premises passed.

Anyone else received a 'Desktop quote' like this?

IDNET Home Fibre Plus BT Infinity
Standard User abat
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 02-Nov-18 14:05:54
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: griff_90] [link to this post]
 
My update today is below. I am reading this as we "have a delay in getting the price to you".

Openreach have advised that the Final costings have been received, but unfortunately they have also reported a system issue that is preventing costs uploading to FLOW, planners has raised a case with Openreach’s systems team to have this fixed.


Mike
Standard User Ixel
(committed) Fri 02-Nov-18 14:20:59
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
That's unlucky! Hopefully it won't take long to resolve that specific problem.


Register (or login) on our website and you will not see this ad.

Standard User candlerb
(member) Fri 02-Nov-18 14:47:00
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: griff_90] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by griff_90:
Estimated Build Cost: Unable to offer an estimate using desk survey tools. Onsite survey required to confirm charges


Number of premises passed for FTTP:


That's really helpful and no I haven't accidentally misquoted. There just a blank space after number of premises passed.

Anyone else received a 'Desktop quote' like this?


Yes: norniron91, sherburn. Also nemeth782 initially got a quote like that, but then they changed their mind and offered a quote of £17,700.

Of those, only norniron91 went ahead with a survey, and the final quote was £21,540.
Standard User NornIron91
(learned) Fri 02-Nov-18 16:44:44
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
And to confirm that is £21540 + VAT

I've now sent away for a desktop quote for 14 properties for a CFP.
Administrator seb
(founder) Sat 03-Nov-18 18:58:59
Print Post

Closed original thread; this segment to carry on..


[re: griff_90] [link to this post]
 
Closed the original thread. This was one of the latest segments so will leave this open.

seb

Sebastien Lahtinen
Co-Founder,
thinkbroadband.com
seb@thinkbroadband.com

personal blog - blog.seb.me.uk
twitter - @sebtweet
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 04-Nov-18 08:10:52
Print Post

Re: Closed original thread; this segment to carry on..


[re: seb] [link to this post]
 
When ever you do this would it not be a good idea to add a link back to the original thread?

Standard User Pheasant
(learned) Sun 04-Nov-18 10:25:38
Print Post

Re: Closed original thread; this segment to carry on..


[re: R0NSKI] [link to this post]
 
There's now 3 threads to search across....

How much is XenForo to install?

Content wise this place is good, but it feels like it was built at the time of the ark.

Edited by Pheasant (Sun 04-Nov-18 10:26:07)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 04-Nov-18 11:14:51
Print Post

Re: Closed original thread; this segment to carry on..


[re: Pheasant] [link to this post]
 
It works well for me. The combination of Flat and Threaded modes is far better than the purely Flat mode that all the modern ones seem to have.

Maybe you don't have your display and other options set up very well. I recommend:

- Style sheet = thinkbroadband;
- Normal index;
- Active in the last week (or longer depending on how often you visit);
- Descending date (but maybe you are used to Ascending on other forums);
- Flat mode;
- Collapsed threads;
- Parent posts per page = 99;
- Posts per page in Flat mode = 99;
- Preview post screen = On;
- Text area columns = 140 (maybe a few more);
- Text area lines = 25;
- Show sigs = Yes;
- Show user status - Yes.

Also to make it run more smoothly put the forums you want to check regularly in "My Home >> Favourite Forums" and make that your entry page, not the Main Index.

I hope that helps.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. 200GB. Sync 01/10/18 - 71908/13506Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6
==================================================
If you never think of anything off the wall, you'll never think of anything original.
Administrator seb
(founder) Sun 04-Nov-18 19:06:35
Print Post

Re: Closed original thread; this segment to carry on..


[re: R0NSKI] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
When ever you do this would it not be a good idea to add a link back to the original thread?


A more helpful suggestion would have been to do it yourself smile

Sebastien Lahtinen
Co-Founder,
thinkbroadband.com
seb@thinkbroadband.com

personal blog - blog.seb.me.uk
twitter - @sebtweet
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 04-Nov-18 21:45:54
Print Post

Re: Closed original thread; this segment to carry on..


[re: seb] [link to this post]
 
It's not me that decides when to close a thread because its too big is it???? It's you, so it makes perfect sense for you to do it to any thread you close because its got too big wink And the reason these threads have got big is because they are popular, so a continuation thread with links back to the previous one for YOUR community would be helpful smile

Administrator seb
(founder) Sun 04-Nov-18 21:58:51
Print Post

Re: Closed original thread; this segment to carry on..


[re: R0NSKI] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
It's not me that decides when to close a thread because its too big is it???? It's you, so it makes perfect sense for you to do it to any thread you close because its got too big wink And the reason these threads have got big is because they are popular, so a continuation thread with links back to the previous one for YOUR community would be helpful smile


I linked from the original into this continuation one.. I didn't do the reverse.. I should have done.
This is a community forum so anyone can be useful and provide that link. I'm working right not (i.e. not on TBB)

Sebastien Lahtinen
Co-Founder,
thinkbroadband.com
seb@thinkbroadband.com

personal blog - blog.seb.me.uk
twitter - @sebtweet
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User Retron
(newbie) Mon 05-Nov-18 05:29:51
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: griff_90] [link to this post]
 
Here's the first part:

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4595298-ftt...

And an earlier topic:

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4586020-ftt...
Standard User fredfox
(experienced) Mon 05-Nov-18 19:29:17
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Retron] [link to this post]
 
Thank you.

Pipex
Nildram
UKFSN
Be *
Xilo / Uno
Now -> Zen and BT

Fibre is here ! FTTP smile
Standard User bcsalt
(newbie) Tue 06-Nov-18 17:21:05
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: NornIron91] [link to this post]
 
Another desktop & final quote

Desktop £31000 + VAT

Proceeded with survey as a property near to us is in the process of getting fttp, hoped this might provide a cheap route... (old manor house, we are in one of their gate/lodge houses. Unfortunately turns out we're fed from different exchanges)

final quote dropped to £11945 + VAT

A huge drop, unfortunately still just too high for me to justify, here ends the dream!
Standard User abat
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 06-Nov-18 18:29:54
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: bcsalt] [link to this post]
 
The estimated build charge was £12,300.00 + VAT. The confirmed build charge is £3,237.00 + VAT. This includes the reduction for the survey and a deduction of £900.00 for premises passed.


Going ahead!

Mike
Standard User candlerb
(member) Tue 06-Nov-18 22:49:50
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
Nice one!

I think this is a good time to summarise the 21 FTTPoD results which have been kindly shared by forum members.

For me, the most interesting aspect is the percentage of the original desktop quote people eventually end up paying.

* All final quotes except one were at 73% of the desktop quote or lower
* Three quarters of people got a final quote which was 58% of desktop quote or lower
* A quarter of people got a final quote which was 41% or lower

Those percentages also include the £250 survey fee.

The desktop quote process is clearly erring considerably on the side of caution. I'd say it's worth paying for the survey if you would be happy to pay 60-70% of the desktop price - and there is a good chance you may end up paying less than that.

The sample only includes those people who decided to go forward for the paid survey - some decided it wasn't worth paying to find out - and of course those who decided to share their results with the forum. However it still covers quite a wide range: the median desktop quote from this group was £12,950. Interestingly, the median final quote was just £4,000 (that's not including the £250 survey charge or VAT)

The highest final quote was £21,540, and this was for a property which was so difficult that no desktop quote could be provided at all.

The lowest final quote was "free", because it turned out the area was already in process of FTTP roll-out; the lowest real FTTPoD final quote was £2,151.73.
Standard User radii
(learned) Fri 09-Nov-18 10:16:00
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
Hi all,
You can add this information to the mix:
B Market
Band D for FTTPOD
Under old system install quote was £3500+vat

New system desktop quote: £16,200+vat
Confirmed build charge: £6970+vat (including reduction for survey and premises passed)

Seems like I was better off under old system.
Is the ONT being installed now just 1 port or could it be 2 or 4?
If I went ahead and wanted BT Ultra fast 4 connection as well (to keep business/ residential separate) would that be possible with 1 ONT port or would there be another installation charge or is it not possible?
Standard User candlerb
(member) Fri 09-Nov-18 10:55:13
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: radii] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by radii:
Under old system install quote was £3500+vat

New system desktop quote: £16,200+vat
Confirmed build charge: £6970+vat (including reduction for survey and premises passed)

Seems like I was better off under old system.


For you it's roughly the same overall, because the old system had a much higher three-year loading on the monthly rental.

Three year cost under old system: 3500 + 36*165 = £9,440

Three year cost under new system: 250 + 6970 + 12*100 + 24*62.5 = £9,920

This drops to £9,500 if you are happy to reduce speed from 330/30 to 150/30 (at a monthly rental of £45) for years 2 and 3.

Also, if you can apply for the business Gigabit voucher then you're £3,000 better off.
Standard User candlerb
(member) Fri 09-Nov-18 11:05:30
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
I would like to know the answer about the ONTs as well, as I'm in the same situation as you.

If they don't install multi-port ONTs any more then I'm going to ask them to pull two fibres from the DP.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Fri 09-Nov-18 11:05:42
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: radii] [link to this post]
 
Current FTTPoD/FTTP installations all come with the newer single LAN port ONTs. I guess you could ask the engineer on the day if he has a spare 4 port ONT in the van but I imagine chances are slim. If you wanted an additional fttp service on a single port ONT then i guess you would need a new fibre run & ONT.

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2

Edited by baby_frogmella (Fri 09-Nov-18 11:06:30)

Standard User radii
(learned) Fri 09-Nov-18 11:15:21
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by candlerb:
If they don't install multi-port ONTs any more then I'm going to ask them to pull two fibres from the DP.


I'm going ahead, though I'm being told it may be from 3 month to 1 year for installation to be completed. I clearly would prefer 4port ONT, if I request them to pull two fibres to the property, could they say no as only provisioned for one?
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Fri 09-Nov-18 11:18:40
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by candlerb:
I would like to know the answer about the ONTs as well, as I'm in the same situation as you.

If they don't install multi-port ONTs any more then I'm going to ask them to pull two fibres from the DP.


On my non-connectorised install they brought a total of 4 fibre strands to the external CSP, ie one in use and three spares nicely coiled up in the csp trays. However I’m not sure if they can do the same on connectorised installs, I think that’s one for Zarjaz to answer smile

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 09-Nov-18 12:23:52
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Yes BF, the single port ONT is the weapon of choice now.

Provisioning of two services to a four port is, in my experience, extremely rare. The systems are just not geared up to do it.

If you have a connectorised install, then that’s a single fibre only, as it goes to one specified port on the CBT.

The other posters suggesting they would ask for two fibres to be pulled in are, I suspect, going to get a polite no.

Whether the Openreach bod has a four port in their van ... luck of the draw really.
The ‘fresh meat’ being skilled up at present are shown and kitted out for connectorised and nothing else, no splicer, nuttin’. Punters want it cheap, there’s an easy cost saving, less training, £2500 an engineer saved for not carrying one.

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 09-Nov-18 12:25:56
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
Don't forget that once you have the FTTPoD, a second supply should be the standard FTTP price.

Edit: As long as your neighbours haven't snaffled all the spare ports on the DP.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. 200GB. Sync 01/10/18 - 71908/13506Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6
==================================================
If you never think of anything off the wall, you'll never think of anything original.

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 09-Nov-18 12:28:11)

Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Fri 09-Nov-18 12:34:26
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
Thanks Zarjaz.

Other than having a few spare fibre strands, is there any advantage of having blown/spliced fibre instead of a connectorised fibre install? Btw love your description of new recruits as "fresh meat" lol

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2

Edited by baby_frogmella (Fri 09-Nov-18 12:37:26)

Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Fri 09-Nov-18 12:36:31
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: radii] [link to this post]
 
radii

If you go ahead it would be best to state that you want 2 connections ( ie order 2 on a linked order) this should get you a 4 port ONT. There is meant to be a process to link orders but I haven't heard of anyone doing it yet.
Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Fri 09-Nov-18 12:38:19
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
Candlerb

See my reply to radii. link the two orders and place them at the same time.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Fri 09-Nov-18 12:55:58
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: kitcat] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by kitcat:
Candlerb

See my reply to radii. link the two orders and place them at the same time.

But I would have thought you could only place an order for an additional FTTP line (at native FTTP prices) once the Bt/Openreach checker starts showing ‘WBC FTTP’ which only happens a week or two before FTTPoD goes live.

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 09-Nov-18 13:02:40
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Hmmm .....

I guess technically no. But I personally think it’s better.

For years I have had to hunt HR faults caused by failing crimps, seems to me that these connectorised blocks are going to be the ‘failing crimps’ of the future.

‘Dumbing down’ the network and those who maintain and operate it is only ever going to end sadly I reckon.

I could moan for ages (and usually do) but no, not a fan.

Standard User candlerb
(member) Fri 09-Nov-18 17:26:34
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: kitcat] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by kitcat:
See my reply to radii. link the two orders and place them at the same time.


I don't see how that's possible: I'd need to migrate my home service to FTTP (on PlusNet not Cerberus), but I won't be able to order this until the checker says FTTP available.

So the question is: if I simply let the FTTPoD install complete, and then place a second order for FTTP at the property, what's going to happen?

I am guessing that they'd pull a second fibre at that point and install second ONT. Or they could swap me to a multi-port ONT.

Otherwise they could say it's impossible to take a second service at the property - in which case I'll have to leave my home broadband on copper.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Sat 10-Nov-18 11:50:34
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
Thinking about this further, you may not need another fibre run to the DP for additional circuits. Reason being that on my 4 port ONT, there is only 1 port for the fibre to go into so this suggests the same fibre strand would be used for additional FTTP lines if I were to order another line. So if this is correct, then i see no reason why the same cannot apply to a connectorised install - obviously you would need a 4 port ONT fitted from the outset or swapped over later on with your single port ONT.

If you are 100% sure that you will ordering an additional FTTP line later on, then you may want to buy a brand new 4 port ONT (such as this) in advance as there's no guarantee the Openreach Engineer will have a spare one on the day. Obviously Openreach will still need to activate the ONT, but if its genuine Openreach stock & never been registered by Openreach previously then it shouldn't be an issue. Also having a 4 port ONT installed from the beginning means you are unlikely to need further Engineer visits fo activate additional lines as this can be done remotely by Openreach.

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2

Edited by baby_frogmella (Sat 10-Nov-18 11:53:04)

Standard User fredfox
(experienced) Sat 10-Nov-18 12:23:55
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Single fibre into my 4 port ONT and got BT on port 1, Zen on port 2.

Pipex
Nildram
UKFSN
Be *
Xilo / Uno
Now -> Zen and BT

Fibre is here ! FTTP smile
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 10-Nov-18 14:21:01
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Just a small correction ... as all else is, in theory, correct.

On the activation front, it only matters if that ONT’s serial number has been previously registered to the same head end fibre








p.s. I do hope that’s not someone from Openreach being really dumb and flogging that shizzle on the bay of fleas. Not worth yer pension is it.

Edited by Zarjaz (Sat 10-Nov-18 14:25:33)

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 10-Nov-18 14:22:16
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: fredfox] [link to this post]
 
The interesting question, is how did you order these two ?

Standard User fredfox
(experienced) Sat 10-Nov-18 19:08:53
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
Thread is here ---- My 2nd connection

And a 2nd thread - 2nd thread

And pict of my ONT (from above thread) ONT 2 out of 4

TLDR; Called Zen, told them I had 4 port ONT with 1 BT connection, they sorted the rest.

Zarjaz - you posted in both those threads smile

Pipex
Nildram
UKFSN
Be *
Xilo / Uno
Now -> Zen and BT

Fibre is here ! FTTP smile

Edited by fredfox (Sat 10-Nov-18 19:24:11)

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 10-Nov-18 21:59:01
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: fredfox] [link to this post]
 
Yep, I do recall, but couldn’t remember your moniker.

Still a very rare beast though.

Standard User Blmcg
(learned) Sun 11-Nov-18 04:12:54
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
The interesting question, is how did you order these two ?


This is actually very easy in the front-end and backend systems, you have to provide a port number in any sucessivve provide (existing ont) order.
In fact this is common where there is a service overlap, i.e. where EU has changed CP, or homemover scenarios; as cp-cp migration on the same port functionality wasn't added until very recently, so other ports tended to end up being used to provide service.
Only caveat is that only port 1 of the ONT supports multicast delivery, mainly only used for the TV services via BT Consumer, so we don't need to worry.

Most of this goes away with the 1+1 being standard, but we and others have voiced we would like the 4+2 to be an option on order, uptake is minimal, the fringe scenarios above will be tackled by the normal 10 day GPL process on the single live port.

Blair McGregor
Network Architect - Syscomm
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 11-Nov-18 08:24:20
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Blmcg] [link to this post]
 
Thank you, that makes sense.

Standard User radii
(learned) Sun 11-Nov-18 10:57:12
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: fredfox] [link to this post]
 
The question is how do i get this done myself?

Rang BT retail- not able to order FTTP service/ don't support FTTPOD
Cerebrus- not able to do 2 orders at same time for FTTPOD.

Any suggestions?
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 11-Nov-18 11:23:31
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: radii] [link to this post]
 
First question, is FTTP orderable at your address ? If not, you might be getting little help because ‘computer says no’. It may all become a lot easier when it is available for order where you are.

I suspect Mr.Fox succeeded as the second port was enabled by Zen who are a bit more ‘together’ over such things.

Standard User candlerb
(member) Sun 11-Nov-18 12:25:07
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
I think we are talking about an FTTPoD-already-in-progress location. Computer will say "no" to WBC FTTP until shortly before the FTTPoD service goes live.

The question really boils down to this: is it still possible to have two FTTP services at the same location, given that OR are now only installing single-port ONTs and single pre-connectorised fibres?

I think you'd just have to order the second FTTP and see what happens. They might swap the ONT for a 4-port; or they might install a second ONT and fibre. Or they might just say no.

In my case, I intend to ask the engineer if they have a 4-port ONT available, or if they'll pull two fibres.

I have installed some conduit for the fibre to go through; it would be a shame to pull one, only to destroy it later to pull two more.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Sun 11-Nov-18 12:50:08
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: radii] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by radii:
The question is how do i get this done myself?

Rang BT retail- not able to order FTTP service/ don't support FTTPOD
Cerebrus- not able to do 2 orders at same time for FTTPOD.

Any suggestions?


You'll have to wait until the BT checker starts showing 'WBC FTTP' for your property which will only happen a few weeks before your FTTPoD service goes live. Get in touch with Cerberus or BT at that point and they will advise you if you can order a second FTTP line then and possibly get it activated at the same time as FTTPoD (or shortly afterwards). Otherwise you will have to wait until your FTTPoD is live.

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2

Edited by baby_frogmella (Sun 11-Nov-18 12:57:47)

Standard User radii
(learned) Sun 11-Nov-18 13:45:39
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
ok, will wait for WBC FTTP (currently just shows FTTPOD available) to show on the BT checker, my install time is from 3-12months....
Standard User FibreFelix
(newbie) Mon 12-Nov-18 10:29:52
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
I too would be very interested to find out whether this is possible. We have FTTPoD installed under the old scheme. The engineer arrived and said that whilst he could have put the new 1 port ONT in for us, as we're mixed residential and business he said he'd put a 4 port ONT in as he had one in his van and so we have that in place and working.

The checker for us is an interesting one. Before it was all installed although in the final stages, the checker said WBC FTTP available and we could have placed an order with another supplier. When it was activated however, the checker changed and now says FTTPoD 1000/220 available however and not native FTTP. I spoke to Cerberus about this and apparently after the 3 year term it will change to native FTTP. That said, the engineer said that we could have up to 4 ports on the ONT running with FTTP and there wouldn't be a need for another engineer visit as the ONT ports could be activated by an ISP remotely. We would like to potentially order another FTTP connection although on the checker it says we don't have native FTTP (even though it's installed and running) Therefore, we are unable to order.

Can anyone shed any light here as the infrastructure is all there and in place!

Edited by FibreFelix (Mon 12-Nov-18 12:22:06)

Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Mon 12-Nov-18 11:24:32
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: FibreFelix] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by FibreFelix:
The checker for us is an interesting one. Before it was all installed although in the final stages, the checker said WBC FTTP available and we could have placed an order with another supplier. When it was activated however, the checker changed and now says FTTPoD 1000/220 available however and not native FTTP. I spoke to Cerberus about this and apparently after the 3 year term it will change to native FTTP.


Cerberus are talking utter rubbish. Once your FTTPoD is live, the BT checker should change to 'WBC FTTP' for your property - ie no different to an address with native FTTP. Mine has been like this since May 2017:

https://i.postimg.cc/pr914YdN/BT-checker.jpg

In your case it sounds like a classic Openreach database error. I would email Mr S (Andrew) your details so that he can prod Openreach to fix this, otherwise no ISP will let you order a second FTTP line.

andrew@thinkbroadband.com

Good luck! smile

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2

Edited by baby_frogmella (Mon 12-Nov-18 11:31:31)

Standard User ionic
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 12-Nov-18 11:53:38
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
Pull one plus a second drawstring and leave that in situ. That can be used to pull another at a later date.
Standard User adrenalize_
(newbie) Mon 12-Nov-18 12:24:57
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: ionic] [link to this post]
 
If it's not a long duct run and a bit space to leave a bit of cord I usually use a puller twice the length secured both ends, easy to pull either way as many times as you like.
Standard User candlerb
(member) Mon 12-Nov-18 14:09:56
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: adrenalize_] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by adrenalize_:
If it's not a long duct run and a bit space to leave a bit of cord I usually use a puller twice the length secured both ends, easy to pull either way as many times as you like.


Yep, that's not a bad idea, thanks.
Standard User lincsat
(learned) Mon 12-Nov-18 17:10:34
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: radii] [link to this post]
 
The checker has gone to WBC FTTP available for my premises with the latest update from Cerberus being - "Openreach confirmed that Civils are now reported as complete. Underground cabling is in progress with local Openreach cabling team."

Looks like I'm not too far away now smile
Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 13-Nov-18 10:20:29
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: lincsat] [link to this post]
 
The 3k voucher has been reduced to £2.5k maximum, I've no idea when it takes affect.

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/8231-don-t-delay...

Standard User Turnipatour
(regular) Tue 13-Nov-18 11:42:52
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: R0NSKI] [link to this post]
 
From the attached attached Ts&Cs document on the gigabit voucher site:

Version 4.0 of these terms and conditions supersedes and replaces version 3.0 of these terms and
conditions with effect from 17:00 on 26 November 2018. You are bound by the terms of the Scheme
that are in force on the date that your supplier requests a voucher on your behalf.

Later on in the document it mentions the voucher being £2500.
Standard User Snake
(experienced) Tue 13-Nov-18 16:09:45
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: radii] [link to this post]
 
Just curious to know why you need a 4 port ONT?

Cerberus FTTPoD
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Tue 13-Nov-18 16:14:27
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Snake] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Snake:
Just curious to know why you need a 4 port ONT?

For an additional FTTP line as the current single port ONT only supports a single line.
Otherwise it can get messy with a new ONT & fibre run for each additional fttp line

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2

Edited by baby_frogmella (Tue 13-Nov-18 16:34:54)

Standard User radii
(learned) Wed 14-Nov-18 15:31:53
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Snake] [link to this post]
 
Hi snake,
How is your Cerberus fttpod connection? Do you have 4/2/1 port ont?
Anyone else with Cerberus fttpod connection care to comment on how it is?
Standard User gigaplant
(newbie) Wed 14-Nov-18 16:45:04
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: radii] [link to this post]
 
I think only the old ONTs with the separate battery pack (not the one that all fits in a box) have more than 1 port, my ONT is only 1 port (that’s fairly recently installed)
Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Wed 14-Nov-18 16:52:23
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: radii] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by radii:
Hi snake,
How is your Cerberus fttpod connection? Do you have 4/2/1 port ont?
Anyone else with Cerberus fttpod connection care to comment on how it is?


They no longer provide 4 port ONT's.
You will get a 1 port ONT.

I've never known a 2nd fibre to be lit for a 2nd FTTP connection.

If a 2nd FTTP service is ordered then a 4 port ONT would likely be provided (assuming this isn't arranged before hand).
OpenReach carry stock of the 4 port ONT's for this and as replacements.

Edited by j0hn83 (Wed 14-Nov-18 16:53:00)

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 14-Nov-18 17:36:53
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: gigaplant] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by gigaplant:
I think only the old ONTs with the separate battery pack (not the one that all fits in a box) have more than 1 port, my ONT is only 1 port (that’s fairly recently installed)

Your 1+1 still has the self same separate battery back up unit.

Standard User Snake
(experienced) Wed 14-Nov-18 17:49:49
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: radii] [link to this post]
 
Only a single port ONT

Cerberus FTTPoD
Standard User Retron
(newbie) Wed 14-Nov-18 17:50:41
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
A small update from my install (ordered in March) - the duct-clearing civil work didn't go ahead during half-term, as only one of the three permits was granted. No sign of any more being applied for yet on the Kent roadworks site either - but when they *are* applied for, that brings the total Openreach will have spent on permits to a nice round £3000!

Also, the telegraph pole outside my house fell down this morning, so I have no landline at all at the moment. Fun, to say the least!
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 14-Nov-18 17:50:54
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: j0hn83] [link to this post]
 
I've never known a 2nd fibre to be lit for a 2nd FTTP connection.

In the same blown four fibre bundle .... yep, installed on that before.

The home owner had to halt the stage one guy who was planning to fit a second BFT and CSP.

Standard User lincsat
(learned) Wed 14-Nov-18 19:18:21
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: lincsat] [link to this post]
 
Also noticed today that there is now the Fibre connection block appeared on the local Telegraph pole. I guess the next stage is the new overhead cable
Standard User Ixel
(committed) Fri 16-Nov-18 11:28:40
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: lincsat] [link to this post]
 
I just had an update from Cerberus this morning...

Openreach have confirmed that the costs have now been accepted and upload on their system. We are now waiting on planning to raise the work estimates.


But... I've already paid them over 3 grand for the confirmed install cost a month ago. What? crazy

EDIT: Further email, it was just badly worded. It was just to confirm that the order is now underway pretty much. Phew!

Edited by Ixel (Fri 16-Nov-18 11:33:55)

Standard User candlerb
(member) Fri 16-Nov-18 12:24:35
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Ixel] [link to this post]
 
Yes, that worried me too when I first saw it. In my case I got:

Openreach has advised us today that the underground cabling have encountered 2 blockages and a buried box.

New estimate will have to be raised to deal with the buried box, once we have the estimate and ECD we will let you know.


then:

Openreach informed us that the A55 (paper work from engineer) has been received and passed to civils team to raise an estimate for duct blockages.

When the estimate is raised we will have a date for the blockage clearance and we will pass it to you.


It appears such "estimates" are internal between OpenReach and their contractors. Just sit tight.
Standard User abat
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 16-Nov-18 21:56:30
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Ixel] [link to this post]
 
I didn’t get an update this week but they did warn me I might not hear until next week.

Mike

Edited by abat (Sat 17-Nov-18 08:08:50)

Standard User Pheasant
(learned) Sat 17-Nov-18 10:50:19
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
Last Cerberus update I had was on 30 October...

"Openreach advised that they have an Over-head estimate and underground cabling and Jointing estimate on this order. Both allocators have been chased for an update-The overhead estimate is currently awaiting a survey to be completed- 1 CABLE OVER 15 SPANS BETWEEN 16 POLES. The underground allocator has replied to advise that the earliest he can start TRRT would be 07/11/2018."

They get an update every Thursday from OR apparently, but it can taken them a day ot two to pass that on. So hopefully I'll get an email on Monday/Tuesday with the latest goings on!
Standard User thematt
(newbie) Sun 18-Nov-18 19:53:32
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Pheasant] [link to this post]
 
Thought i'd chime in with mine.

survey came back . £8,000

Number of properties passed : 3.

Don't see how it's 3 but anyway £8k isn't feasable for me frown guess im stuck with 80Mbit VDSL since virgin have been broken in Bedford for 3 years now and is still broken (oversubscribed)
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 18-Nov-18 20:45:02
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: thematt] [link to this post]
 
It’ll be the three other properties served by the same copper DP as your current line.

Standard User candlerb
(member) Sun 18-Nov-18 21:35:01
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: thematt] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by thematt:
survey came back . £8,000


Desktop survey?

If you are prepared to gamble £250+VAT to find out, the final price will almost certainly be under £6000, and 50:50 chance it's under £4000.

That's still a lot to upgrade from 80/20 VDSL of course.

If you're a business there's a £2500 gigabit voucher available.
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Mon 19-Nov-18 15:05:42
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
Just thought I would pop in and say hello, have benefited a lot from the info in here, so thanks to everyone. In rural North Yorkshire with 2.5-3 miles back to exchange.
Desktop Request 26/04/18
Desktop Quote Received 01/06/18 for £29,100ex VAT
Survey Request 01/06/18 paid £250.00
Final Quote 10/09/18 for £12,514.00ex VAT (£3k Gigabit voucher to remove and VAT reclaimable as we are a set of holiday cottages we need decent broadband as can have 40 guests on site)
...and that is with me installing 150m of ducting across our land
Less than 50% of desktop quote, however between the desktop and survey a lot of work was done in the town meaning 50% of the distance was in perfect working order as they pulled fibre for a new estate.
Order Placed 01/10/18
Have since received delivery of ducting for me to install but not draw rope so I can't start.
Today Morrisons turned up to install 240m of duct in the verge of our lane to connect us up to the nearest duct.
Cereberus have been great with communication. Just need OR to be a bit more communicative, have spent £12k with them and not a phone call from their Planner/PM to ensure I know what is going.
I had a delivery of 67 lengths of 3m duct turn up out of the blue and unloaded into garage! But can't start as need a rope and to confirm final route, we discussed two options with surveyor and I have a choice of two ground boxes I can terminate ducts to.
Dave
Standard User busterboy
(member) Mon 19-Nov-18 17:51:43
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
I also live in rural North Yorkshire and Morrisons Utilities came round our village just west of Harrogate last week preparing for the Phase 3 installation.
Please don't answer if you don't want to but where in Rural Yorkshire are you "ie" nearest town / city.

BTBroadband
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Mon 19-Nov-18 17:58:46
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: busterboy] [link to this post]
 
Pickering. North Yorkshire is a big spot! I had numerous conversations with SFNY (Super Fast North Yorkshire) and they were very helpful. The long and the short of it is we aren't on Phase 3, which I gleaned from SFNY standard info but also that with only 1 other property on our dead end lane it was unlikely that we would end up on the list for Phase 4 or Phase 5 if they get more money allocated. If I wanted it then FTTPoD was the only route.
Running a set of holiday cottages I now see Amazon Echo, Netflix devices, and games consoles on the network, and with 40 guests it is not that unusual to see 80 devices on their side of the network. Add that to 80 odd devices in our home and existing bandwidth can soon be gobbled up.
Standard User candlerb
(member) Mon 19-Nov-18 17:59:54
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: busterboy] [link to this post]
 
Or tell us exactly, so we can book a holiday in the cottages once the fibre is in smile
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 19-Nov-18 18:07:31
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by candlerb:
Or tell us exactly, so we can book a holiday in the cottages once the fibre is in smile
Expanding on that, he could crowd-fund it at a day's free stay per £100. wink

(The logistics of fulfilling the promise could be complex!)

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. 200GB. Sync 01/10/18 - 72382/13812Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6
==================================================
If you never think of anything off the wall, you'll never think of anything original.

Edited by RobertoS (Mon 19-Nov-18 18:08:25)

Standard User busterboy
(member) Mon 19-Nov-18 18:16:04
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
Pickering. North Yorkshire is a big spot! I had numerous conversations with SFNY (Super Fast North Yorkshire) and they were very helpful. The long and the short of it is we aren't on Phase 3, which I gleaned from SFNY standard info but also that with only 1 other property on our dead end lane it was unlikely that we would end up on the list for Phase 4 or Phase 5 if they get more money allocated. If I wanted it then FTTPoD was the only route.
Running a set of holiday cottages I now see Amazon Echo, Netflix devices, and games consoles on the network, and with 40 guests it is not that unusual to see 80 devices on their side of the network. Add that to 80 odd devices in our home and existing bandwidth can soon be gobbled up.


Small world, I took a shooting party up Yatts Road in Pickering only last week and yes.. You are in the sticks. laugh

SFNY is a God send to me, Matt Roberts is looking after us and getting things moving.

Good luck my friend, I hope you are online very soon. smile

BTBroadband
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Tue 20-Nov-18 11:30:14
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
Didn't want to post a link on my first day as presume I would be blacklisted for advertising! We run a Draytek Router and load balance between 4MB on copper line and 15MB on radio based community WiFi. Some traffic limiting, routing and priority setting has kept us running successfully so far! We upgraded internal wifi to unifi this year with a AP in each cottage and backhaul using nanoobeams.
The upgrade to fibre is more with an eye on the future with streaming devices becoming more prevalent, bandwidth demands from customers is only going to go one way. We will also me able to advertise super fast to each cottage! And apart from the capital cost the ongoing cost is the same as we pay now for two services but 17 times as fast.
But the crowd funding comment isn't so far off the mark. Ultimately we have to attract customers. If we attract 1 more booking per month for 4-years then the cost is comfortably funded. 1-more booking seems doable, if it turns a click into a booking.
The bill is paid, and the guys are here again today digging trenches for the ducts, then TRRT, jointing, blowing, terminations and eventually I'll get there.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 20-Nov-18 12:07:46
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
That sounds brilliant!

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. 200GB. Sync 01/10/18 - 72382/13812Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6
==================================================
If you never think of anything off the wall, you'll never think of anything original.
Standard User Webbs
(learned) Thu 22-Nov-18 20:57:31
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by candlerb:
If you're a business there's a £2500 gigabit voucher available.


Does being a sole trader with a UTR number registered at my address count for voucher scheme eligibility do you know plz?
Standard User candlerb
(member) Thu 22-Nov-18 22:43:46
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Webbs] [link to this post]
 
Here are the terms and conditions.

If required to do so you must provide evidence of your status as a SME or sole trader.
Documentation we will accept includes: VAT registration; Charity Registration: HMRC
notification; sole trader UTR number; certification of incorporation (Limited Companies);
business bank account statement issued within the last three months; non-domestic rates
reference. Other documentation, such as business-related utility bills, may be acceptable in
special conditions if combined with other documentation.
Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Fri 23-Nov-18 18:37:57
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Webbs] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Webbs:
In reply to a post by candlerb:
If you're a business there's a £2500 gigabit voucher available.


Does being a sole trader with a UTR number registered at my address count for voucher scheme eligibility do you know plz?


I'd be surprised if a UTR number alone was enough. Your UTR number doesn't change. If you do 1 days work self employed you can get a UTR number from HMRC.

Even a general labourer on a construction site likely has a UTR number as more and more are forced in to "fake" self-employment.
I saw the mention of UTR in the t&c's some time ago but assumed more should be needed because of how easy a UTR is to get.

Though if you did get accepted with a UTR number alone then by all means report that back here. That would be a game changer for me.
Standard User candlerb
(member) Sat 24-Nov-18 14:08:01
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: j0hn83] [link to this post]
 
Take it up with your supplier; they are the ones who will have to apply for the voucher on your behalf.

As far as I understand, it's a question of being able to demonstrate that you are "trading" at that address. In my case, I was asked to provide either a business rates bill, a supplier invoice, or a business bank statement.
Standard User rman
(newbie) Mon 26-Nov-18 22:31:56
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
Thought i'd share my latest update and at the same time ask if anyone knew what the next stages are for on order typically.

My latest info was: Openreach confirmed that underground cabling works estimate has now been raised with an estimated completion date of 29/11

My build estimate was approved and paid for on 22nd October.

What are the remaning stages till my connection is complete and usable?
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Tue 27-Nov-18 08:08:00
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: rman] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by rman:
What are the remaning stages till my connection is complete and usable?


http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4552969-my-...

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Netgear XR700 running DumaOS
Standard User candlerb
(member) Tue 27-Nov-18 09:01:29
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
For comparison:

My confirmed order was submitted end of June. The survey said it required 34m of new duct and a new chamber.

OR first sent out their cabling people, who discovered upstream blocked ducts. It took a couple of months to fix and rope all of those. *Then* they started work on the new duct (mid-October). After digging a test hole, the contractor queried the permit[^1], left the hole with barriers around it for a couple of weeks, then fully reinstated it. A few weeks later they got a new permit and started all over again - they are working on it now.

I'm not expecting service until Jan-Feb at the earliest. But that's pretty good going compared to some.

[^1] The permit said "verge", and they weren't sure if this allowed them to work on carriageway or footway. However this bit of road doesn't have a footway tongue
Standard User candlerb
(member) Tue 27-Nov-18 09:06:25
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
BTW, to view the images in baby_frogmella's linked post, you need to change postimg.org to postimg.cc
Standard User Ixel
(committed) Tue 27-Nov-18 11:09:10
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
Just to update the thread with my order progress. Last week Cerberus told me that OR about to begin the underground cabling, hopefully there won't be many complications there (e.g. blocked ducts). I'm waiting for another update regarding the date, hopefully I'll hear about that later this week. I can't wait to get FTTP smile!
Standard User Spinstorm
(committed) Wed 28-Nov-18 18:41:38
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Ixel] [link to this post]
 
So I got this today from Cerebus

“Estimated Build Cost: £9,300.00 ex VAT

The build charge includes the estimate for the work and materials required to deliver the service. It also includes the connection charge.

Number of premises passed for FTTP: 6”

I am going to go ahead and make the order so I can get the survey done. I won’t be paying that estimate above there but if its less than 5k I just might.

I was told at least 2 months for the survey as there is stop on new orders that is removed on 1st Dec and they are full up with Dec orders - so sometime January for survey.
Standard User Ixel
(committed) Thu 29-Nov-18 16:06:25
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Spinstorm] [link to this post]
 
Just had an update today regarding my order.

The civils to build a new cable chamber box will need to be completed first before Openreach get cablers issued to complete the cabling on the short route. As soon as this has been completed I will let you know.


I wonder how far the cable is actually coming, 'on the short route' is interesting. I guess I'll see something on 'roadworks' soon.
Standard User lincsat
(learned) Thu 29-Nov-18 17:25:47
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Ixel] [link to this post]
 
I've just had the new overhead cable and gone live with Cerberus Today.

My initial request for Desktop quote was Mid-Feb and it was mid-July when I placed the order, so 4 Months.

Downloads are currently showing only 100Mbit but I still have to change the 15m Ethernet cable between the ONT and Router which isn't the best, so will see how things go.
Standard User Retron
(newbie) Thu 29-Nov-18 17:34:59
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: griff_90] [link to this post]
 
I've never been so happy to be stuck a red traffic light on my way home from work. After something like the fifth attempt the "civils" are now underway to clear duct blockages with traffic lights popping up on the neighbouring road. Roadworks.org reports:

PROVISION OF SERVICE – Excavate onto BT ducts for the clearance of duct blockages in Fw/cw/verge to facilitate spine cabling works.

and

TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT to facilitate BT Openreach Fibre Cabling Works – Portable traffic signal head only, linked to notice/permit number (BC006M...)

If any of the people in the affected road read that they'd get quite excitied I'd imagine... whereas it's my road that'll benefit from it. Full marks to Cerberus for chasing and chasing and chasing!
Standard User abat
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 29-Nov-18 22:21:33
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Retron] [link to this post]
 
My update this week:

The underground and jointing estimates have now been raised, we are just waiting on the start dates, we will let you know as soon as we have them.


Mike
Standard User Alvintc
(newbie) Fri 30-Nov-18 18:17:51
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: griff_90] [link to this post]
 
I've requested my full survey.
Timeline:
2/10/18 - Requested desktop survey (Cerberus)
18/10/18 - Desktop survey £15,600.00 (ex. VAT)
23/10/18 - Full survey requested

Also, Howdy & all that jazz
Standard User bomber456
(committed) Fri 30-Nov-18 20:50:47
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Spinstorm] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Spinstorm:
So I got this today from Cerebus

“Estimated Build Cost: £9,300.00 ex VAT

The build charge includes the estimate for the work and materials required to deliver the service. It also includes the connection charge.

Number of premises passed for FTTP: 6”

I am going to go ahead and make the order so I can get the survey done. I won’t be paying that estimate above there but if its less than 5k I just might.

I was told at least 2 months for the survey as there is stop on new orders that is removed on 1st Dec and they are full up with Dec orders - so sometime January for survey.


Hi when did you submit your order for your survey? i presume mine will be done in the new year too. Desktop quote was £8900+VAT hoping it will be under 5k...

...
Standard User rman
(newbie) Mon 03-Dec-18 10:53:04
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: bomber456] [link to this post]
 
I quite like reading updates from other people so ithought i'd share mine.

I've just had a look at planned road/street works in my area and spotted some BT work on the green cabinets that i assume is related to my fibre install. There are 2, i assume for the original green cab and the FTTC green cab.

1: STREET CABINET and POWER INSTALLATION. Excavate to lay approx 22m BT ducts, Lay concrete plinth, Stand cab. Excavate to expose low voltage cable for Power Connection and lay approx m duct. POWER engineer to carry out inspection prior to jointing. POWER jointing team to insert cable and execute jointing works. Reinstate, Check and clear site.

2. STREET CABINET and POWER INSTALLATION. Excavate to lay approx 16m BT ducts, Lay concrete plinth, Stand cab. Excavate to expose low voltage cable for Power Connection and lay approx 36m duct. POWER engineer to carry out inspection prior to jointing. POWER jointing team to insert cable and execute jointing works. Reinstate, Check and clear site.

Both have the date 7 Dec - 14 Dec.
Standard User candlerb
(member) Mon 03-Dec-18 11:44:32
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: rman] [link to this post]
 
As I understand, FTTP doesn't use the cabinets at all, so it's probably just coincidence.

I actually had the same. My FTTC cabinet has reached capacity: the availability checker shows "waiting list" when I search by address (but not by phone number, where it just shows "available").

So they had to reshell the PCP to increase the tie-pair capacity. That involved some pavement digging too. But AFAIK it's nothing to do with the ongoing FTTPoD install.
Standard User lincsat
(learned) Mon 03-Dec-18 12:26:34
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
I don't know the correct terms but my surveyor said that there was some new fibre equipment needed near the AN, I assume some sort of connector/splitter. In my case it was going down a manhole around 5M away from the AN (which is also down a manhole)
Standard User candlerb
(member) Mon 03-Dec-18 12:47:45
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: lincsat] [link to this post]
 
Yes it's all underground: this video outlines it. You get a brief view of an aggregation node (at 3:07) and splitter node (at 3:24).

My guess is that you are quite close to the aggregation node, so they put a splitter next to it to serve you (and in future, anyone else nearby)
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 03-Dec-18 13:02:56
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
+1

Standard User brookheather
(learned) Mon 03-Dec-18 15:35:15
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
Today OpenReach have started running the fibre cable through the ducting from the AG node for my FTTPoD order so hopefully not too long now before installation is complete.
Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Mon 03-Dec-18 19:46:43
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: rman] [link to this post]
 
Those roadworks are definitely unrelated to your FTTPoD install.
I've never seen any FTTP equipment in any cabinet. It's in underground chambers or pole mounted.

There's no reason for them to touch the PCP cabinet or the FTTC cabinet.

In some cases the Aggregation Node could be in a chamber right next to a PCP. Even then nothing goes through the PCP from the Agg Node.
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Tue 04-Dec-18 10:47:26
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: j0hn83] [link to this post]
 
Well I found two big BT trucks parked outside on the lane, the team are to here to install fibre from my gate to exchange. 2000m+ run that they are now working on, I take it as a good sign! Nice bunch of lads, their spare truck & fibre reel now parked in our carpark while the explore the route (welcome to the country)!

I only notified Openreach that I had finished my180m of ducting yesterday morning, so possibly scheduled in ahead of my completion as they are only doing to my gate.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Tue 04-Dec-18 10:56:44
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
Well I found two big BT trucks parked outside on the lane, the team are to here to install fibre from my gate to exchange. 2000m+ run that they are now working on, I take it as a good sign! Nice bunch of lads, their spare truck & fibre reel now parked in our carpark while the explore the route (welcome to the country)!

I only notified Openreach that I had finished my180m of ducting yesterday morning, so possibly scheduled in ahead of my completion as they are only doing to my gate.


If you've ordered FTTPoD then Openreach will install fibre from your premises to the nearest fibre aggregation point, not to the exchange. Unless you've ordered a fibre leased line?

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Netgear XR700 running DumaOS

Edited by baby_frogmella (Tue 04-Dec-18 11:18:27)

Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Tue 04-Dec-18 12:41:37
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
All along they have stated it is being dragged back to the exchange. Is it possible this is the nearest Aggregation point? We are rural. Exchange is 2miles away. I have queried a couple of times as they put fibre to a new housing estate recently (1.25miles away). After that there is maybe 5 premises before you get to us.
They did send a technical update to state they had a planned reroute to avoid the high street but presumably just working round the edges of the high street rather than going down the hughstreet which is the shortest route.
Cheers
Dave.
Standard User Cammy
(regular) Tue 04-Dec-18 12:58:26
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
Interesting.

So for your £12.5k, am I right in saying what you got were parts & labour for 240m of new duct laid in the verge plus parts-only for 210m of duct which you self-installed, then parts & labour for about 2km of fibre (plus the usual baseline cost items)?

Edited by Cammy (Tue 04-Dec-18 13:20:41)

Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Tue 04-Dec-18 13:01:07
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
It might be that your nearest agg node is close to the exchange but your line will still connect to an agg node.

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Netgear XR700 running DumaOS
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Tue 04-Dec-18 14:08:41
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Yup pretty much.
£12.5k+VAT (reclaimed) less grant at £3000, so I forked out just less £10k.
- parts for my dig, plus their labour to connect my duct to their ground box.
- 242m of duct (according to roadworks.org) laid by contractor
- then there is existing ducting laid for about 1-mile to the edge of town that won't have been touched for a while. They carry the risk on this and would need roping and inner duct laying according to survey (see below).
- then a further 1-mile back to the exchange which is where they say it is running to. Acknowledging that it may be connected to Ag node in the vicinity of the exchange.

In the country the drawings don't match reality (which resulted in my phone line being cut last year as it was on the other side of the road to everyone else!)
I would add that since it was surveyed they have spent weeks in town running fibre for the new housing estate which is on the route. This may have partially cleared my route.
Some other work related to wayleaves since survey also meant they had already moled a duct under my tarmac road/entrance way which previously wasn't ducted. This would have been on my list.
The team on the ground currently believe there are 2 spare inner ducts in a 4-way from neighbours but they aren't scheduled to use this for some reason. The have said they could blow fibre down this from 240m away from me.

They carry the risk on blocked ducts which is possible. 'We' cut the verges in enormous tractors and trample all over them in heavy goods vehicles. I won't feel out of the woods till this whole lot is rodded and roped back to town.

Distance to exchange is roughly 2.5miles by shortest route on road.

Don't suppose I'll a refund!
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Tue 04-Dec-18 14:55:26
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
Ah the joys of living in the countryside!

But seriously, you got a good deal from Openreach for a rural FTTPoD install albeit with you having to do a bit of the digging. Most people would get eye watering build costs in rural areas (for obvious reasons).

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Netgear XR700 running DumaOS
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Tue 04-Dec-18 16:12:18
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Thanks Frogmella
The cost seemed reasonable to me given the effort. They knew some of the works were in the pipeline, as housing estates don't pop up over night and I suspect they may already have rodded and roped everything bar our lane (1/2 mile) due to other villages being online. There is a SuperFastNorthYorkshire fund so a lot of effort going on locally, I did speak to them but with just 3 houses on a 3/4 mile dead end road we won't make it on their list anytime soon.
I volunteered my dig as it goes through the middle of the main guest lawn. Didn't want an unmotivated contractor doing it at a cost/m. We stripped turf with a turf cutter, dug channel, refilled, lightly compacted with tractor, and gardener is today levelling/top dressing, and replacing turf. Plus local digger driver will be cheaper!
Looking forward to it, hopefully no more complaints from guests on wi-fi speeds!
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Tue 04-Dec-18 17:23:19
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
As the job progresses I get more and more greedy. I know they run multiple fibres to the premises, is it possible once installed to have a second ONT installed using one of the other fibres with a second FFTP connection?
We run two broadband connections currently (Openreach and WISP) so dual bandwidth is something we are used to.
The exchange states LLUs available are Sky & TalkTalk. Could I stick one on Sky, we have all the channels and they will not add much to the package to add broadband. If Cerberus was taken down by missile strike would the Sky option remain up?
Fully understand that the weakest link would be the fibre cable back to Agg Node which if damaged would wipe out both. But sky offer me broadband at £5-£10/month. If that was 80/20 it would add a lot of resiliency to main 330/30 for not a lot of extra beans. I know that 330 is lot and that I am being greedy just interested. As we run holiday cottages It might also make sense to split home/guest networks (currently VLANs) and using two connections would separate us entirely. My streaming wouldn't be affected by guests and vice versa.
Presumably I couldn't order a second FTTP connection now as it shows FTTP not available, and it would force me down ADSL route.
Cheers
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Tue 04-Dec-18 17:25:07
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: brookheather] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by brookheather:
Today OpenReach have started running the fibre cable through the ducting from the AG node for my FTTPoD order so hopefully not too long now before installation is complete.

Awesome, I think that is where I am with mine. It is great to see progress - keep us posted.

Dear Santa, for Christmas please can I have super fast!

Edited by F00tS0re (Tue 04-Dec-18 17:56:18)

Standard User Cammy
(regular) Tue 04-Dec-18 17:36:51
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
just 3 houses on a 3/4 mile dead end road


We are similar - 4 houses up a dead end. Unlike you, our lines are overhead for about 1km until they enter the village then about 500m underground to the cabinet at the cross (then an unknown distance to the AN).

Has anyone had a quote for mostly overhead so we can compare the cost relative to underground?
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Tue 04-Dec-18 17:59:31
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Cammy] [link to this post]
 
Cheap. My brother has had his desktop quote. Similar country lane and distances to mine, edit: except all overhead lines. Initial desktop quote was £6500-ish. Compared to my initial quote of £29k+VAT followed by real quote of £12500+VAT.
He is waiting for survey after paying £250 fee. With a grant to come off and hopefully a discount from desktop to surveyed his could become really reasonable.

Nailing a fibre cable to some posts has got to be cheaper than trenching and ducting.

Edited by F00tS0re (Tue 04-Dec-18 18:10:14)

Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Tue 04-Dec-18 18:50:30
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
As the job progresses I get more and more greedy. I know they run multiple fibres to the premises, is it possible once installed to have a second ONT installed using one of the other fibres with a second FFTP connection?


If you get the newer '1 stage' FTTP install (most likely) then they will run a connectorised (pre-made) fibre cable from the DP direct to your single LAN port ONT. However you could kindly ask the Openreach bod on the day of the internal install if they could supply you with the 4 port older ONT which supports multiple FTTP lines. Otherwise Openreach would swap out the single port ONT with a 4 port ONT at a later date after you have placed the 2nd FTTP order.

Alternatively, like i did, you may get fibre blown from the DP to your premises which is usually 4 fibre strands in 1 tube - this will terminate at a Customer Splice Point (CSP) outside. From there they splice 1 fibre strand to a lead-in fibre cable which terminates at the ONT. The remaining 3 fibre strands are kept as spares in the CSP all nicely coiled up. TBH i don't think you will need any of the 3 spares as the single live fibre strand supports at least 4 FTTP lines.

This is my fibre CSP:
https://i.postimg.cc/tJwXB3vB/IMG-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/8PfkjYs9/IMG-002.jpg

4 port ONT:
https://i.postimg.cc/WpHbpVp0/IMG-004.jpg

Internal guts of the CSP:
https://i.postimg.cc/tT1RWv2s/IMG-0360.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Kvhc3NLY/IMG-0361.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/fymwgt4Z/IMG-0362.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/9X7FfSDS/IMG-0363.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/RV1S7HQL/IMG-0364.jpg

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Netgear XR700 running DumaOS
Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Tue 04-Dec-18 19:59:00
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
It might be that your nearest agg node is close to the exchange but your line will still connect to an agg node.


I've commented on it a couple of times in the past but in some cases, particularly in very rural areas, the local FTT* infrastructure is fed directly from the exchange.

In areas of the Scottish Highlands for example, some FTTC cabinets aren't fed by Aggregation Nodes placed between or near cabinets, but directly from the exchange.

Wether they use the same Aggregation Nodes placed inside the exchange, or in underground chambers on/near the exchange grounds in these cases, I have absolutely no idea.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Tue 04-Dec-18 20:25:06
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: j0hn83] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by j0hn83:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
It might be that your nearest agg node is close to the exchange but your line will still connect to an agg node.


I've commented on it a couple of times in the past but in some cases, particularly in very rural areas, the local FTT* infrastructure is fed directly from the exchange.

In areas of the Scottish Highlands for example, some FTTC cabinets aren't fed by Aggregation Nodes placed between or near cabinets, but directly from the exchange.

Wether they use the same Aggregation Nodes placed inside the exchange, or in underground chambers on/near the exchange grounds in these cases, I have absolutely no idea.


But I was under the impression that exchanges in very rural areas aren’t equipped for FTTx services and instead rural fibre lines terminate at the nearest head end exchange which can be many many miles away? Unless BT/Openreach have recently upgraded rural exchanges to support FTTx lines at the same time as upgrades to 21CN (adsl2+)?

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Netgear XR700 running DumaOS
Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Tue 04-Dec-18 22:26:32
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
But I was under the impression that exchanges in very rural areas aren’t equipped for FTTx services and instead rural fibre lines terminate at the nearest head end exchange which can be many many miles away

Generally yes
The head-end can still be very rural though.

Most assume all small rural exchanges are fed by larger urban exchanges but that's a massive over simplification.
Some areas of the country OpenReach has smaller "child" exchanges that link to a larger "parent" head-end exchange.
Some areas it's the opposite and larger exchanges are fed from a smaller head-end.

OpenReach haven't used the 1 size fits all for the whole country. That makes sense as every area is different.

I think Aggregation Nodes cater for around 1400 homes?
Maybe in more rural areas the exchange is a more central location for an Agg Node than near a distant cabinet? or if there's nowhere near 1400 homes perhaps they do things different? I'm Speculating here, I don't know the specifics.

It's not impossible that the poster above is being fed his fibre from NGA equipment at/near his exchange, as he was advised a number of times.

The Agg Node might simply be in a chamber outside the exchange.
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Wed 05-Dec-18 09:49:18
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: j0hn83] [link to this post]
 
If I see the team again I'll see if they can give me any further info on kit/equipment. But if it connects to Agg Node then most likely it will be connected to an Agg Node, either in/on/nearby exchange.

The surveyor, the notes supplied by Cereberus, the update that stated they had a reroute sorted to avoid the high street, and the guys stating it was a 2km+ pull all point to the fact that the fibre is headed to the exchange. If will be connected to a thing, located in a thing, connected to other things!
The DP will likely go in the box in the verge, then a 200m -ish run into the greenhouse (ducting installed under greenhouse floor) for the CSP, and straight through the wall to put the ONT right next to the server cabinet. 200m run possibly excludes pre made connecterised install from DP.

Now to upgrade the Draytek 2860 which seemingly only has 150MB throughput (300MB total split in/out). Never thought I would have that problem. As we use UniFi for hotspots, and end switches I most likely will go for USG-Pro-4 (the extra cost over the USG is small so may as well have the extra processing power). New toys!
Standard User dect
(newbie) Wed 05-Dec-18 10:11:55
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
Yup pretty much.
£12.5k+VAT (reclaimed) less grant at £3000, so I forked out just less £10k.
- parts for my dig, plus their labour to connect my duct to their ground box.
- 242m of duct (according to roadworks.org) laid by contractor
- then there is existing ducting laid for about 1-mile to the edge of town that won't have been touched for a while. They carry the risk on this and would need roping and inner duct laying according to survey (see below).
- then a further 1-mile back to the exchange which is where they say it is running to. Acknowledging that it may be connected to Ag node in the vicinity of the exchange.

In the country the drawings don't match reality (which resulted in my phone line being cut last year as it was on the other side of the road to everyone else!)
I would add that since it was surveyed they have spent weeks in town running fibre for the new housing estate which is on the route. This may have partially cleared my route.
Some other work related to wayleaves since survey also meant they had already moled a duct under my tarmac road/entrance way which previously wasn't ducted. This would have been on my list.
The team on the ground currently believe there are 2 spare inner ducts in a 4-way from neighbours but they aren't scheduled to use this for some reason. The have said they could blow fibre down this from 240m away from me.

They carry the risk on blocked ducts which is possible. 'We' cut the verges in enormous tractors and trample all over them in heavy goods vehicles. I won't feel out of the woods till this whole lot is rodded and roped back to town.

Distance to exchange is roughly 2.5miles by shortest route on road.

Don't suppose I'll a refund!


Can I please ask what size duct (96mm, 54mm or some other size) Openreach supplied for your part of the dig (last 210m)
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Wed 05-Dec-18 13:44:25
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by dect:
Can I please ask what size duct (96mm, 54mm or some other size) Openreach supplied for your part of the dig (last 210m)


54mm

3m lengths with a push fit into each end. Would have rather had a roll than 67 lengths but suspect they don't issue rolls to end customers!

Openreach were spotted this morning somewhere down the lane staring into hole. Wife said digging holes but presumably just digging joint box out. Looks likely they are working their way backwards towards civilisation.
Standard User dect
(newbie) Wed 05-Dec-18 14:27:35
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
Alternatively, like i did, you may get fibre blown from the DP to your premises which is usually 4 fibre strands in 1 tube - this will terminate at a Customer Splice Point (CSP) outside. From there they splice 1 fibre strand to a lead-in fibre cable which terminates at the ONT. The remaining 3 fibre strands are kept as spares in the CSP all nicely coiled up. TBH i don't think you will need any of the 3 spares as the single live fibre strand supports at least 4 FTTP lines.


Did they push/pull the fibre tube through the duct first then blow the 4 fibre strands down the fibre tube afterwards or did they blow them all through together?
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Wed 05-Dec-18 14:49:10
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by dect:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
Alternatively, like i did, you may get fibre blown from the DP to your premises which is usually 4 fibre strands in 1 tube - this will terminate at a Customer Splice Point (CSP) outside. From there they splice 1 fibre strand to a lead-in fibre cable which terminates at the ONT. The remaining 3 fibre strands are kept as spares in the CSP all nicely coiled up. TBH i don't think you will need any of the 3 spares as the single live fibre strand supports at least 4 FTTP lines.


Did they push/pull the fibre tube through the duct first then blow the 4 fibre strands down the fibre tube afterwards or did they blow them all through together?


Not 100% sure as I didn't watch them do it but I believe they first put in the black/yellow tubing in the duct and then the fibre was blown in. The Distribution Point (DP) is only 20-30m away with relatively new ducts so it was quite an easy job for Openreach.

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Netgear XR700 running DumaOS
Standard User dect
(newbie) Wed 05-Dec-18 15:24:48
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
54mm


Sorry for all the questions, what depth did they ask you to bury the duct (350mm, 600mm or something else)
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Wed 05-Dec-18 15:30:13
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
No problem, they didn't. They just pointed me towards the Openreach specification for self install. This states 300mm but to be honest 12inches is a spade depth and within reach [of some tractor implements] so most of the trench is 18inches deep except in a couple of areas where it was really tough going and is only 300mm. Marked location and depths on site plan! Most of the 300mm depth is under a path that will be relaid when it stops raining so not worried about damage there.
They also didn't notify me of any deliveries, just an HGV on your doorstep asking to unload! Or confirm the ground box I was aiming at. Don't expect any help, confirmation or reassurance. None of this bothered me, just something to be aware of.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 05-Dec-18 16:48:45
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
200m run possibly excludes pre made connecterised install from DP.

There are 350m connectorised reels available on special order ... very unlikely to be blown fibre to the CSP. DP to ONT in one go.

You should get a ‘pre visit’ before the actual install, explain then about the length required and that should help iron out issues on the day.

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 05-Dec-18 16:59:40
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
The fibre is blown through the tubing. You’d need one helluva compressor to blow the tubing through the duct.

Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Wed 05-Dec-18 17:45:39
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
The fibre is blown through the tubing. You’d need one helluva compressor to blow the tubing through the duct.

Especially as in in my case it is in sections and therefore not airtight!
Rod, rope, then pull inner duct through. Then blow fibre seems to be the methodology.
Standard User dect
(newbie) Wed 05-Dec-18 17:47:03
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
The fibre is blown through the tubing. You’d need one helluva compressor to blow the tubing through the duct.


That's the first thing that crossed my mind that why I thought I would get clarity.
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Wed 05-Dec-18 17:58:39
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
200m run possibly excludes pre made connecterised install from DP.

There are 350m connectorised reels available on special order ... very unlikely to be blown fibre to the CSP. DP to ONT in one go.

You should get a ‘pre visit’ before the actual install, explain then about the length required and that should help iron out issues on the day.

They know the length, and plenty visits so far.
We normally pop out and say hello and offer parking and tea. Had an Openreach wagon parked all day yesterday as there is not much room in the lane, previously stored diggers, trailers etc during day and overnight for groundworks. Seemingly not much progress today, they have spent most of the day with the wagon on the next lane down, probably half-mile of road and there most the day. But if they get that bit done then home and dry.

Although they may as well stick the DP in my greenhouse as 0.25mile ish to next neighbours either way so not sure the DP will benefit anyone other than me if longest connectorised reel is 350m (definitely won't reach).
Starts thinking about fibre direct to each cottage!
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 05-Dec-18 20:00:51
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
They know the length, and plenty visits so far.


But I I suspect not by anyone who might add useful notes for the installer.

Standard User candlerb
(committed) Wed 05-Dec-18 21:09:55
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
Starts thinking about fibre direct to each cottage!


You've clearly got all the skills for running the ducts from your server room to the properties! smile

I can make some suggestions for connecting it up if you like - Campus Networking is one of my things.
Standard User dect
(newbie) Thu 06-Dec-18 08:42:43
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
There are 350m connectorised reels available on special order


This is good to know as I always thought the longest reel was around 150m for duct use, are there any other lengths available between 150m and 350m for ducts use?

if using a connectorised reel, can it connect from the CBT straight to the ONT without the need for a CSP (in my case the fibre feed will come straight into an equipment room via duct not through an outside wall)?

Edited by dect (Thu 06-Dec-18 08:47:15)

Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Thu 06-Dec-18 09:13:10
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by candlerb:
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
Starts thinking about fibre direct to each cottage!


You've clearly got all the skills for running the ducts from your server room to the properties! smile

I can make some suggestions for connecting it up if you like - Campus Networking is one of my things.

They are all connected already just via ubiquiti nanoobeams running wireless links at 330MB to three cottage blocks, then a a UniFi AP in each cottage. But I was more thinking run fibre direct to each cottage and pay for multiple links, giving each cottage 80/20 or more!
Digging the central courtyard up would be horrible as it is full of main drains, surface water drains, and electric pipes, although only a gravel finish, the amount of under ground stuff would result i na fair bit of hand trenching.
But if we go faster than 330/50 up to 500 or 1G then the three links are looking small. One block has three APs, for three cottages, 18-beds between them. If it was ducted and cabled in CAT6 (or 5e at a push) then it would do 1Gbps allowing all bandwidth to pushed to each block if the demand was there.
Bud if Openreach fitted the DP on site I could even run fibre direct!
The links are good for now, but as some point won't be, a single domestic router providing wifi only in reception was good for everyone once.
Cheers
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 06-Dec-18 09:39:03
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
160 to 350, that’s it as far as I am aware.

Yes. That’s exactly how it’s meant to be connected.

Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 06-Dec-18 10:13:23
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
It's fantastic that you are going to all this work and expense for your holiday cottages. I recently stayed somewhere that had FTTP available to order, but there was just very limited and patchy WiFi on site. I had to use my phone for tethering with it propped up in a window. I often use the Internet to find places to visit, pubs restaurants etc. As well as catching up with the forums in the morning/evenings, and my two daughters are always on the net. So decent WiFi is something I always look for when booking places.

Standard User candlerb
(committed) Thu 06-Dec-18 11:04:33
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
They are all connected already just via ubiquiti nanoobeams running wireless links at 330MB to three cottage blocks, then a a UniFi AP in each cottage. But I was more thinking run fibre direct to each cottage and pay for multiple links, giving each cottage 80/20 or more!


Why pay BT multiple times, when you can serve all the buildings from a single fast link? Your main link is presumably 330/30 or 330/50, and in future may be upgradeable to 1000/220.

In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
Digging the central courtyard up would be horrible as it is full of main drains, surface water drains, and electric pipes, although only a gravel finish, the amount of under ground stuff would result i na fair bit of hand trenching.


What I don't quite follow is: why using BT to deliver fibre to the properties would be different in this regard than running your own fibre.

In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
But if we go faster than 330/50 up to 500 or 1G then the three links are looking small. One block has three APs, for three cottages, 18-beds between them. If it was ducted and cabled in CAT6 (or 5e at a push) then it would do 1Gbps allowing all bandwidth to pushed to each block if the demand was there.


Don't run copper between buildings - it's dangerous. If there's a thunderstorm storm nearby, it can induce a large potential difference between buildings, which at best fries the electronics, and at worst will kill someone. If you *must* use copper between buildings then install a CAT5-specific lightening arrestor at each end, and have it properly earthed by an electrician. But really, fibre is the way to go.

If you run your own fibre pair to each building or cluster of buildings, you can run these at 1Gbps cheaply, and upgrade in future to 10G or higher. Use single-mode fibre (OS2), which is the same as telcos use: essentially unlimited distance and speed, and it's actually cheaper than multi-mode which is not as good. You connect it to an 1000baseLX SFP at each end.

At each building you need a switch which has an SFP port. The Netgear GS110TP is very nice for this: it has 2 SFP and 8 copper, and the 8 copper all drive PoE so can be used to power your APs without power injectors (*). It can be monitored via SNMP, and has web and telnet CLI (**).

At the centre you want a switch or router with multiple SFP ports. I would go with Mikrotik CCR1016-12S-1S+ which is a router with 12 SFP ports and one SFP+ (10G) port. You can use a copper SFP to connect to your ONT. Weirdly, this will be almost the only copper link in your entire network smile

The nice thing about the Mikrotik being a proper multi-port router is that you can give each building its own subnet and route between them. This means that a network problem in one building (e.g. a broadcast storm) does not affect the other buildings. You can also apply ACLs, e.g. to stop a guest in one building from attempting to attack or spread viruses to guests in other buildings.

Ideally each building would have its own fibre pair back to the central router. Although the Netgear has two SFP ports, avoid the temptation to daisy-chain from one Netgear to another to another. Your network will end up really unreliable, and if there's a problem it will be almost impossible to debug.

However it's OK to join fibres together to make a path. For example, let's say you have a cluster of 4 buildings. You can run an 8-strand cable to building A, and 2-strand cables from A to B, A to C and A to D. Then you join them together at A, so physically you have a mini star around building A, but buildings A-D each have a separate fibre pair back to your server room.

In practice this isn't always possible, and one level of daisy chaining is OK. So if building A had a switch with four SFP ports, you could run run connections from switch A to switch B, switch A to switch C, and switch A to switch D. It's less optimal: all four buildings will be on the same subnet, and if switch A fails or loses power, buildings B-D will all lose service as well.

You will either need a friendly fibre contractor on hand, or you will need to get pre-made cables of the right length. Armoured cables can be directly buried. Even with ducts, you want to be careful of rats chewing the cables; after pulling cables plug the ducts with a cement plug.

If this stuff interests you, then you might want to look at this and this.

If this is not of interest, then for an easy life you install separate Openreach services to each property, but at N x £30 per month it will add up.

Cheers,

Brian.

(*) The power is standard PoE 802.3af. Most APs work fine with this, e.g. Unifi AC Lite. The old Unifi AC Pro needed higher power "PoE+" 802.3at, and don't work reliability on the Netgear.

(**) telnet port 60000 after enabling it in the web interface. Not well publicised feature smile
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Thu 06-Dec-18 11:36:05
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by candlerb:
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
They are all connected already just via ubiquiti nanoobeams running wireless links at 330MB to three cottage blocks, then a a UniFi AP in each cottage. But I was more thinking run fibre direct to each cottage and pay for multiple links, giving each cottage 80/20 or more!


Why pay BT multiple times, when you can serve all the buildings from a single fast link? Your main link is presumably 330/30 or 330/50, and in future may be upgradeable to 1000/220.


Because it is simple! And as no-one offers 1000/220 over Openreach - except maybe spectrum I was thinking 80/20 connections as being enough for a pair of cottages.

In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
In reply to a post by candlerb:
Digging the central courtyard up would be horrible as it is full of main drains, surface water drains, and electric pipes, although only a gravel finish, the amount of under ground stuff would result i na fair bit of hand trenching.


What I don't quite follow is: why using BT to deliver fibre to the properties would be different in this regard than running your own fibre.

It isn't but makes more bandwidth available now and each cottage could have a fairly simply router. Simple is good.

In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
Don't run copper between buildings - it's dangerous. If there's a thunderstorm storm nearby, it can induce a large potential difference between buildings, which at best fries the electronics, and at worst will kill someone. If you *must* use copper between buildings then install a CAT5-specific lightening arrestor at each end, and have it properly earthed by an electrician. But really, fibre is the way to go.

All have same earths as from same main supply, but differences could occur. But yes agree, and we already have lightening arresters connected to earths at each end of the CAT5 for the nanobeams.

In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
If you run your own fibre pair to each building or cluster of buildings, you can run these at 1Gbps cheaply, and upgrade in future to 10G or higher. Use single-mode fibre (OS2), which is the same as telcos use: essentially unlimited distance and speed, and it's actually cheaper than multi-mode which is not as good. You connect it to an 1000baseLX SFP at each end.

At each building you need a switch which has an SFP port. The Netgear GS110TP is very nice for this: it has 2 SFP and 8 copper, and the 8 copper all drive PoE so can be used to power your APs without power injectors (*). It can be monitored via SNMP, and has web and telnet CLI (**).

At the centre you want a switch or router with multiple SFP ports. I would go with Mikrotik CCR1016-12S-1S+ which is a router with 12 SFP ports and one SFP+ (10G) port. You can use a copper SFP to connect to your ONT. Weirdly, this will be almost the only copper link in your entire network smile

The nice thing about the Mikrotik being a proper multi-port router is that you can give each building its own subnet and route between them. This means that a network problem in one building (e.g. a broadcast storm) does not affect the other buildings. You can also apply ACLs, e.g. to stop a guest in one building from attempting to attack or spread viruses to guests in other buildings.

Ideally each building would have its own fibre pair back to the central router. Although the Netgear has two SFP ports, avoid the temptation to daisy-chain from one Netgear to another to another. Your network will end up really unreliable, and if there's a problem it will be almost impossible to debug.

However it's OK to join fibres together to make a path. For example, let's say you have a cluster of 4 buildings. You can run an 8-strand cable to building A, and 2-strand cables from A to B, A to C and A to D. Then you join them together at A, so physically you have a mini star around building A, but buildings A-D each have a separate fibre pair back to your server room.

In practice this isn't always possible, and one level of daisy chaining is OK. So if building A had a switch with four SFP ports, you could run run connections from switch A to switch B, switch A to switch C, and switch A to switch D. It's less optimal: all four buildings will be on the same subnet, and if switch A fails or loses power, buildings B-D will all lose service as well.

You will either need a friendly fibre contractor on hand, or you will need to get pre-made cables of the right length. Armoured cables can be directly buried. Even with ducts, you want to be careful of rats chewing the cables; after pulling cables plug the ducts with a cement plug.

If this stuff interests you, then you might want to look at this and this.

If this is not of interest, then for an easy life you install separate Openreach services to each property, but at N x £30 per month it will add up.


Will read up, and if the opportunity to rip the car park up presents itself I might look at it. We already have Ubiquiti US-8-150W with two SFP ports per cottage block, that power the nanoobeams, and APs for each cottage. Each block is a single physical structure. with internal Cat5 from switch to APs. So it would just be ducting, entry into buildings and lengths of fibre to sort. And a head head with multiple fibre.
I wonder how long it will be before we need it! 8k streaming?


Cheers Dave
Standard User abat
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 07-Dec-18 10:12:55
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
Anyone know who "Allocator" is? Apparently Openreach are chasing them for my install (just had my weekly update).

Mike
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Fri 07-Dec-18 10:27:06
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by abat:
Anyone know who "Allocator" is? Apparently Openreach are chasing them for my install (just had my weekly update).


Maybe a contractor/sub-contractor ?

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Netgear XR700 running DumaOS
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Fri 07-Dec-18 15:06:20
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
Works organiser in Openreach. I have had an 'underground allocator' as per 'Underground allocator has been chased to assign cabler to site asap to start TRRT. (Test Rod and Roping Tube)'
Standard User Alvintc
(newbie) Mon 10-Dec-18 16:51:12
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Alvintc] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Alvintc:
I've requested my full survey.
Timeline:
2/10/18 - Requested desktop survey (Cerberus)
18/10/18 - Desktop survey £15,600.00 (ex. VAT)
23/10/18 - Full survey requested

Also, Howdy & all that jazz


10/12/2018 - Invoiced for Field Survey

Hopefully somethings moving!
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Mon 10-Dec-18 17:11:26
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Alvintc] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Alvintc:
In reply to a post by Alvintc:
I've requested my full survey.
Timeline:
2/10/18 - Requested desktop survey (Cerberus)
18/10/18 - Desktop survey £15,600.00 (ex. VAT)
23/10/18 - Full survey requested

Also, Howdy & all that jazz


10/12/2018 - Invoiced for Field Survey

Hopefully somethings moving!


I thought there was a temporary suspension of FTTPoD orders in place, ie no order is going beyond the desktop survey stage? Unless the suspension has been lifted by Openreach?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/09/openre...

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Netgear AX12 (RAX120) Beta tester
Standard User NornIron91
(learned) Mon 10-Dec-18 17:51:00
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by Alvintc:
In reply to a post by Alvintc:
I've requested my full survey.
Timeline:
2/10/18 - Requested desktop survey (Cerberus)
18/10/18 - Desktop survey £15,600.00 (ex. VAT)
23/10/18 - Full survey requested

Also, Howdy & all that jazz


10/12/2018 - Invoiced for Field Survey

Hopefully somethings moving!


I thought there was a temporary suspension of FTTPoD orders in place, ie no order is going beyond the desktop survey stage? Unless the suspension has been lifted by Openreach?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/09/openre...


According to Spinstorm the suspension was lifted on 1st December, "as there is stop on new orders that is removed on 1st Dec "
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Tue 11-Dec-18 09:08:18
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: NornIron91] [link to this post]
 
Yes, suspension lifted but think the main providers have a backlog of survey orders and are limited to what they can put through per month. Demand exceeding supply.
Standard User brookheather
(learned) Thu 13-Dec-18 18:19:12
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: griff_90] [link to this post]
 
Does anyone know if it's possible to ask OpenReach to install the CBT in a slightly different position? Currently the three houses either side of me are due to get FTTP once my FTTPoD installation completes however my neighbour five houses away would love to get FTTP - if the CBT installation was shifted right by two houses then they would be covered by my installation and wouldn't need to pay for their own installation. Thoughts?
Standard User abat
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 13-Dec-18 20:21:36
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: brookheather] [link to this post]
 
My update this week doesn't sound good ...

Openreach have advised that the underground cabler has been to site and advise duct blockage has been encountered on route.

Peperwork has been sent to the DAN team to progress and raise a civils estimate to clear.


Mike
Standard User Ixel
(committed) Thu 13-Dec-18 20:59:55
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
My update this week is pretty much waiting on and chasing Morrison Utilities.

Civils supplier has been chased for an update to build a new cable chamber box.

Once completed underground can go to site to complete short cable route.


It sounds like that's the only thing really holding my order up.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Thu 13-Dec-18 21:00:17
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: brookheather] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by brookheather:
Does anyone know if it's possible to ask OpenReach to install the CBT in a slightly different position? Currently the three houses either side of me are due to get FTTP once my FTTPoD installation completes however my neighbour five houses away would love to get FTTP - if the CBT installation was shifted right by two houses then they would be covered by my installation and wouldn't need to pay for their own installation. Thoughts?


The Openreach planners will already have designed your build and determined which premises will be able to order a 'native' FTTP service on the back of your FTTPoD order. I very much doubt they will start enabling out of reach premises free of charge purely on request. They have to draw a line somewhere...

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2
Standard User Blmcg
(learned) Thu 13-Dec-18 23:36:20
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: brookheather] [link to this post]
 
It depends if they are fed from the same DP as yours.
If there are more premises served by a DP than there are CBT ports (minus spares) then Openreach does make an initial allocation.
We've had the allocated list then ran past us, querying if adjacent premises have expressed interest so they could tailor the "enabled" premises.

This is decided immediately after survey, so may be hard to change now.

Blair McGregor
Network Architect - Syscomm
Standard User brookheather
(regular) Fri 14-Dec-18 11:00:45
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Blmcg] [link to this post]
 
I am still waiting for two blocked ducts to be cleared so the DP / CBT hasn't been installed yet - I saw someone from OpenReach last week who said he was looking at the best place to install it. Anyway Cerberus have passed my request on to OpenReach so I will see if they are able to include my friend in my installation.
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Fri 14-Dec-18 12:22:44
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by brookheather:
Does anyone know if it's possible to ask OpenReach to install the CBT in a slightly different position? Currently the three houses either side of me are due to get FTTP once my FTTPoD installation completes however my neighbour five houses away would love to get FTTP - if the CBT installation was shifted right by two houses then they would be covered by my installation and wouldn't need to pay for their own installation. Thoughts?


The Openreach planners will already have designed your build and determined which premises will be able to order a 'native' FTTP service on the back of your FTTPoD order. I very much doubt they will start enabling out of reach premises free of charge purely on request. They have to draw a line somewhere...


Talking to the installers on mine they have been told to leave plenty of loops on the route to mine. Presumably this is to allow joints to be installed and additional premises added as and when demand dictates. So they do seem to think of others when running the installs.
But if there are plenty of targets then likely to go with the nearest ones to you rather than position a CBT further away to make 1 neighbour happy.
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Fri 14-Dec-18 12:33:05
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
My official update this week is that the cabling team are on the ground and once complete will be passed to jointers.

The unofficial update from talking to engineers o the ground is that all ducts have been roped apart from a couple at the top where they hope to 'overblow'. I believe this is close to the exchange. I'm really pleased to have got the country lane ducts roped as these were the ones I was concerned about being blocked as may not have been accessed for years.

I did ask with a cheeky grin if I might have it by the time Santa arrives, this was met with a look to senior installer, and an 'ooof' so probably not but it might be. So I suspect not. Was away later part of week so haven't seen if the fibre is in the ground or just the ropes, but they have been trolling round with a trailer with fibre drum on it. Will have a look at the weekend.

From digging through posts I need the following:
Cabling Team
Jointing Team
Whoever installs the CBT/DP thing in the ground box outside
Whoever connects the far end
1-visit to install from ground box through 150m of duct to inside box (on the hope that I get a 1-visit install).
Standard User 1nfern0
(learned) Fri 14-Dec-18 13:26:39
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
Update on my order.

Ducting from the the distribution point to my property has been complete.
Cablers detected 2 blockages in ducts. One has been resolved and the 2nd hopefully was resolved yesterday.
All being well, cablers can return to site next week. Doesn't look likely for a pre-Xmas install but shouldn't be long afterwards.
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Sat 15-Dec-18 10:30:17
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: 1nfern0] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by 1nfern0:
Update on my order.

Ducting from the the distribution point to my property has been complete.
Cablers detected 2 blockages in ducts. One has been resolved and the 2nd hopefully was resolved yesterday.
All being well, cablers can return to site next week. Doesn't look likely for a pre-Xmas install but shouldn't be long afterwards.

Awesome, getting the ducts free and clear is probably the last big unknown delay. After that should be just be business as usual. Of course there are still a few stages, and Openreach scheduling to wait for but to me seems the last unknown barrier for the process.
Standard User Ixel
(committed) Thu 20-Dec-18 15:01:12
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
Further update to my order, although no progress really. Still stuck on waiting for civils (Morrisons Utiltiies?) to do their job.

"Escalation has been made to the Civils supplier for an update to build a new cable chamber box.

Once completed underground can go to site to complete short cable route."

It sounds like it's literally the main thing holding up the order from progressing, I'm curious to know what 'short cable route' means, but once I see civils in the area working on a cable chamber box then I'll probably get a rough idea smile. I guess holidays are getting in the way, so hopefully in January I'll see some progress.
Standard User F00tS0re
(newbie) Thu 20-Dec-18 16:26:50
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Ixel] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Ixel:
Further update to my order, although no progress really. Still stuck on waiting for civils (Morrisons Utiltiies?) to do their job.

"Escalation has been made to the Civils supplier for an update to build a new cable chamber box.

Once completed underground can go to site to complete short cable route."

It sounds like it's literally the main thing holding up the order from progressing, I'm curious to know what 'short cable route' means, but once I see civils in the area working on a cable chamber box then I'll probably get a rough idea smile. I guess holidays are getting in the way, so hopefully in January I'll see some progress.

I'd guess it means they have completed much of the cable route and only have a small part left.
Standard User F00tS0re
(learned) Thu 20-Dec-18 16:30:43
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
My update is:
Underground allocator have advised majority of the route has all been cabled.
There is a 600 mtr section that requires a overblow. This is in hand and engineers will be assigned to deal with the overblow asap.
Standard User Pgre
(experienced) Thu 20-Dec-18 17:40:27
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: thematt] [link to this post]
 
Hi THEMATT, Which area in Bedford are you in?
They are starting to role out G.Fast in many areas now also.

Regards PGre
Standard User abat
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 20-Dec-18 19:11:09
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
My update this week was word for word the same as last week. I guess that means no progress.

Mike
Standard User Ixel
(committed) Fri 21-Dec-18 09:10:43
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
Yay, I can see on roadworks that works are planned and most likely in relation to my order. It's pretty much nearly outside my house, it's near to the pole that I'm connected to.

https://i.imgur.com/5OYqfjh.png

Planned between the January 10th to January 14th smile.
Standard User Alvintc
(newbie) Thu 03-Jan-19 10:58:00
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Alvintc] [link to this post]
 
Survey happening right now...

Engineer has a very large area to survey (120+ premises) based off my survey request.

He also thinks that my install would be "incredibly simple" (his words!). The reasoning:
1. I currently get ~70/15 - means it's likely to be the cabinet around the corner
2. It's a new build (<4 years), this should have been noted on the desktop survey
3. The install location is a doddle and will reuse the path that my current one used (junction box etc. already there)

His report should go in at the back end of next week
Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Thu 03-Jan-19 11:25:09
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Alvintc] [link to this post]
 
He sounds like he doesn't know how it works. Not the 1st OpenReach surveyor who didn't know anything about FTTPoD though.

The speed you get on FTTC is absolutely 100% irrelevant to the cost of FTTPoD.
The fibre doesn't come from the local cabinet.

Many surveyors don't even seem to know where the Agg Node is so how they can survey between the 2 I've no idea.

Also not the 1st case where they survey half the street at the same time.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Thu 03-Jan-19 11:52:06
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Alvintc] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Alvintc:
It's a new build (<4 years), this should have been noted on the desktop survey


It should be a relatively quick build as Openreach are unlikely to encounter obstacles such as blocked ducts due to the ducts being fairly new in your area. My home is older than yours (built in 2008) but Openreach still found the U/G ducts in tip top condition and my FoD install went smoothly.

This is how the fibre enters my home, same route as the copper. I don't think you'll get the splice box (CSP) installed as its mostly connectorized fibre these days, provided you're less than 160m away from the DP.

https://i.postimg.cc/Ls5nnn6f/IMG-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/LsWhf2nW/IMG-002.jpg

(I never got around to painting the covers in 1 colour, I guess its a job for next Summer!)

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Phicomm K3
Standard User Alvintc
(newbie) Thu 03-Jan-19 12:26:12
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: j0hn83] [link to this post]
 
Not the best response... but understood.

The survey is not my street - there's only 7 houses on my street, cul-de-sac directly off main road.

He showed me the maps of the area he's surveying and it's pretty big 0.15km2 hence the 120+
Standard User dect
(newbie) Thu 03-Jan-19 14:45:58
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Alvintc] [link to this post]
 
Hi Alvintc

I have to agree with j0hn83, if your request for a FTTPoD survey has triggered a survey for 120+ properties it will be a miracle. I also agree with him that the location of your local cabinet\DSLAM is irrelevant unless thats also the location of your nearest aggregation node where your service will be provided through. Maybe the surveyor didn't explain himself properly but as long as you get a good quote who cares about what his surveying today.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 03-Jan-19 14:57:23
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
Sounds more like an assessment for native FTTP to me. Surveyor's job - count the number of houses with a VM box on the wall LOL.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests 35-45Mpbs down, 9-15 up.
==================================================
If you never think of anything off the wall, you'll never think of anything original.
Standard User dect
(newbie) Thu 03-Jan-19 15:03:35
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
Native FTTP did go through my mine as well.
Standard User Azzy85
(newbie) Sat 05-Jan-19 21:15:41
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
HI All, I'm new here. Love this thread. Has anyone in Essex, particularly Billericay, had a desktop quote? My home is currently being heavily remodelled and I feel it would be a perfect time to have FTTP installed for when I move back in. Any info would be greatly apprciated. Im looking to speak to AMVIA early next week. the adsl checker says that FTTP On Demand is available with the 330/30 mbps.
Standard User darren_mccoy
(newbie) Sun 06-Jan-19 18:02:48
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Azzy85] [link to this post]
 
Hey there, I recently got a desktop quote of £21800 + VAT = £26160. My question is... If i get the more accurate quote how long will it last? I'll be saving for more that a year to pay for the quote above. Cerebus says you have one month to accept the final quote and I don't want to waste £300. Also how does the houses passed discount work? They say there are three houses passed but there are eleven housed on my country road to the green box and even more in the opposite direction to the exchange.

Im about 0.5 mile from my green box (apparently that doesn't matter) and about 1 mile from the exchange. Im currently getting 15mb down and 1.5mb up via FTTC (was so disappointed by how slow my FTTC was).

I have beed reading here how some quotes are vastly different from the desktop quote, I don't want to save up £26k and then find out it will cost half of that. That would be nice don't get me wrong, but would mean i wasted six months saving.

Will I have to pay for a new quote in a years time if I pay for a quote now?
Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Sun 06-Jan-19 19:13:10
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: darren_mccoy] [link to this post]
 
When you pay for the survey you are ordering the product.
When you get the full survey quote back you have 30 days to withdraw from the contract, or you can post and the order goes ahead.

Properties passed sounds like they count the properties the fibre passes, but they don't.
They usually count the number of properties that share a copper distribution point (DP).
In some urban areas the newly installed fibre can pass dozens, if not hundreds of properties. Only those who share the final DP count as properties passed.

I'd guess there are 3 other properties on your DP.
The DP may be underground or on a telegraph pole.

I'm not 100% sure how it would work if you choose not to go ahead after ordering a survey but decide to advance at a later date.
It may be that ordering again automatically triggers another survey. I'm sure someone else can comment on that last point.

Edited by j0hn83 (Mon 07-Jan-19 00:13:32)

Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Sun 06-Jan-19 19:22:20
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: darren_mccoy] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by darren_mccoy:
Im about 0.5 mile from my green box (apparently that doesn't matter) and about 1 mile from the exchange. Im currently getting 15mb down and 1.5mb up via FTTC (was so disappointed by how slow my FTTC was).


If you're only getting 15 Mb/s on FTTC then you will be around 1 mile away from your FTTC cabinet based on the actual cable length, not half a mile - see the table here. I'm guessing you're in a rural/semi rural area, for which FTTPoD costs can be substantial as you're also likely to be far from the nearest aggregation node (which feeds FTTP circuits).

If you are serious about going ahead then the survey fee of £200-£300 is potentially just a small % of the final build costs and its definitely not a waste of money as its what Openreach charge to send somebody out there to survey the area, write their report and present the final quote. Yes, in an ideal world the desktop survey quotes would be more realistic but they're not, so it is what it is.

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Phicomm K3

Edited by baby_frogmella (Sun 06-Jan-19 19:50:58)

Standard User candlerb
(committed) Sun 06-Jan-19 19:40:21
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: darren_mccoy] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by darren_mccoy:
Hey there, I recently got a desktop quote of £21800 + VAT = £26160. My question is... If i get the more accurate quote how long will it last?


30 days.

Technically, you're not paying for a quote. You're actually placing an order, signing a contract for installation of the service. When the final pricing comes back, you have 30 days to accept it and pay the balance. If you don't, then the order is cancelled, and the OpenReach cancellation charge at this point is £245+VAT. That is: you're not paying for a survey, you're paying to withdraw from the order contract you've signed.

If you place another order later, then you're starting from square one again.

Note: the people at Cerberus are good. If they tell you something, it's almost certainly correct! smile

In reply to a post by darren_mccoy:
Also how does the houses passed discount work? They say there are three houses passed but there are eleven housed on my country road to the green box and even more in the opposite direction to the exchange.


The discount is already applied by the time you get your final quote.

"Properties passed" is a technical term which means "properties where service is made available". Normally this means the properties served by the same Distribution Point (DP). This might be an underground chamber, or a pole. So "three properties passed" could mean that a single pole serves three properties (or yourself plus three others), and this is where they would install a fibre block terminal to serve those properties.

These are the only ones which will have the infrastructure available to be able to take up FTTP service. The fibre cable may run "past" other properties on its way from the fibre aggregation node to your distribution point, but that's irrelevant. Those properties can't take service - they won't break into the fibre cable - so there's no discount for them.

In reply to a post by darren_mccoy:
I have beed reading here how some quotes are vastly different from the desktop quote, I don't want to save up £26k and then find out it will cost half of that. That would be nice don't get me wrong, but would mean i wasted six months saving.

Will I have to pay for a new quote in a years time if I pay for a quote now?


Yes. There's a summary of the estimates and final quotes reported in the forum in this spreadsheet.

Given that your quote is so high, it's hard to give a good indication of what your final quote might be. There's a good chance that it won't exceed 75% of the original quote, which works out at just under £20K including VAT. If you're lucky it might be as low as 45%, or £12K.

My advice is: if you really want the service then get a loan facility agreed, place the order, then take up as much of the loan as you need when you get the final quote.

If you don't want to take a loan, then:

1. Decide how much you'd be willing to pay
2. Start saving
3. When you're about 3 months away from reaching the target, place your order

It's a bit of a poker game. On the one hand, OpenReach could aggressively increase the pricing of FTTPoD, or even withdraw the product entirely. On the other hand, if you wait a bit you might find that some fibre infrastructure is built nearby which it would be cheaper to connect to.

Good luck!
Standard User candlerb
(committed) Sun 06-Jan-19 19:42:57
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
If you're only getting 15 Mb/s on FTTC then you will be around 1 mile away from your FTTC cabinet, not half a mile


Both figures could be correct: it might be half a mile as the crow flies, but one mile by the route taken by the cable (which may not be the "obvious" walking route either)
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Sun 06-Jan-19 19:52:41
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by candlerb:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
If you're only getting 15 Mb/s on FTTC then you will be around 1 mile away from your FTTC cabinet, not half a mile


Both figures could be correct: it might be half a mile as the crow flies, but one mile by the route taken by the cable (which may not be the "obvious" walking route either)


Good point, I've edited my post accordingly smile

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Phicomm K3
Standard User darren_mccoy
(newbie) Mon 07-Jan-19 19:06:08
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
Wow, thanks for all the help. You've all been very informative. I think i'll save up 90% of the money then send off for a quote, i'll let you know how it goes.
Standard User candlerb
(committed) Mon 07-Jan-19 19:17:08
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: darren_mccoy] [link to this post]
 
Great. From placing the order, to the surveyor coming out to do the survey, to getting the final quote back, is likely to take about 2 months (for me it was over 3 months)
Standard User bomber456
(committed) Tue 08-Jan-19 12:07:42
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
i placed the order on 20th November, just chased up and they will be contacting me w/c21st for payment, then w/c 28th for the survey. Will update once i have the figure, fingers crossed its not the full £8900 desktop quote (or more!).
There is some native FTTP about 0.5 miles from my house, so fingers crossed!

...
Standard User abat
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 11-Jan-19 08:37:06
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: bomber456] [link to this post]
 
Well this isn't going well ...


Openreach have advised that the Civils estimate has been cancelled as no Permission to Dig form has been received and dig is required on Private Land.


Mike
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 11-Jan-19 09:39:23
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
.... and had you previously signed the permission to dig form ?

They will not carry out any civils work on private land without it.

Standard User abat
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 11-Jan-19 15:01:32
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
It is not me that is being asked to sign the form.

Mike
Standard User UKconfederate
(learned) Fri 11-Jan-19 15:56:17
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
I know this has been asked before but I can't find which thread it was in.

Have any private individuals applied for FTTPoD through Cerebus?
If so, what did you put in the company field on the application form?
Standard User dect
(learned) Fri 11-Jan-19 16:08:53
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
Hopefully it will be just a Permission to Dig form and not turn into a wayleave request which will probably cause additional delays.

Do you know who is being asked (e.g. neighbour or local land owner) and what exactly for.
Standard User abat
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 11-Jan-19 16:40:47
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
No I don't know who it is for.

It is for a blocked duct but from the Aggregation Node to here following the duct path I don't think there is any private land but then I'm assuming it follows the BT marked pavement chamber covers route along the road. I've asked Cerberus if they know more.

Mike
Standard User abat
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 11-Jan-19 16:42:12
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: UKconfederate] [link to this post]
 
I don't remember there being a company field and I've got a live order as a 'private individual'.

Mike
Standard User UKconfederate
(learned) Fri 11-Jan-19 17:48:41
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by abat:
I don't remember there being a company field and I've got a live order as a 'private individual'.


Thank you for your reply.
Maybe I should have said residential rather than 'private individual'

It's good to know ordinary folks can order rather than having to be a business, I'll give them a try and see whether I'm lucky or not.
Standard User bomber456
(committed) Fri 11-Jan-19 21:25:58
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: UKconfederate] [link to this post]
 
im a residential user, i cant remember that being on there either. waiting for my quote still. end of this month they advised..

...
Standard User Retron
(newbie) Sat 12-Jan-19 15:30:22
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: UKconfederate] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by UKconfederate:
It's good to know ordinary folks can order rather than having to be a business, I'll give them a try and see whether I'm lucky or not.

I signed up last March as an individual wanting FTTPoD to a residential address and Cerberus didn't bat an eyelid. I suspect as long as they get their payment (which was by bank transfer in my case) you'll be fine!

(My order's still ongoing, mind you, after nearly 10 months and with no end in sight. Cerberus have been great with providing regular updates on Openreach's roadworks though and hopefully by the 1-year mark the installation will be complete!)
Standard User Azzy85
(newbie) Sun 13-Jan-19 20:05:21
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: darren_mccoy] [link to this post]
 
I just got quoted earlier in the week by AMVIA

Desktop Quote is £30100 for FTTPoD in Billericay Essex, CM12 9**
Standard User candlerb
(committed) Sun 13-Jan-19 21:59:56
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Azzy85] [link to this post]
 
Whoa. Are you going to proceed with the order / full survey? On previous form your final price is likely to be at least £12,000+VAT and could be substantially more.

At least once the final price is given, it's fixed. My own install is still ongoing, and they've just decided they need to do another 164m of duct replacement because of inadequate capacity and blockages. Fortunately I don't have to pay any more smile
Standard User dect
(regular) Sun 13-Jan-19 22:14:11
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Azzy85] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Azzy85:
I just got quoted earlier in the week by AMVIA

Desktop Quote is £30100 for FTTPoD in Billericay Essex, CM12 9**
You got your desktop quote very quickly via AMVIA, I remember you saying only last weekend that you was going to give them a call.
Standard User UKconfederate
(learned) Mon 14-Jan-19 09:05:15
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: bomber456] [link to this post]
 
I've now applied via their website and will await to see what their initial pricing is, I will report back here when it comes through.

As for the company field, I just wrote 'no company private individual', I did try to leave it blank but the form wouldn't send without it being completed.
Standard User andyhurley
(regular) Mon 14-Jan-19 17:32:48
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: UKconfederate] [link to this post]
 
I just got a new desktop quote this week as I know new OR infrastructure has gone in between our house and the network. I'm unsure about where the agg node is but new poles have been erected and fibre strung along them with the nearest now only being a few hundred yards from us.

Anyway, too many unknowns so I put in for a new desktop survey and it came back with:

Estimated Build Cost: Unable to offer an estimate using desk survey tools. Onsite survey required to confirm charges

Previously it had said £39000 so not sure if this is better or worse.

I can't justify a huge cost even through my business as we don't know how many years we will be at this address (better half may have to move for her work and we won't know for quite a while) but a few K would be alright.

Anyway, just wondered if anyone else had seen this. I have checked the new poles which run for about 1/2 mile and have a BT chamber where (presumably) the fibre emerges from the ground. Then there are 2 poles with fibre connectors on them, one on the last pole as it goes back underground (to serve the business that has had a leased line installed) and one 2 poles back in the middle of nowhere. There are no properties on the entire new run - just fields.

Just for fun I also recently had notification from Gigaclear that their roll-out has been postponed now to Q2 2020 in our area (previously Q3 2019).
Standard User candlerb
(committed) Mon 14-Jan-19 18:01:22
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: andyhurley] [link to this post]
 
We saw a lot of £39K quotes in the early days, but now more "unable to quote". I think they both mean the same thing - i.e. £39K was just the standard value for "too big to estimate".

Forum user norniron91 got "unable to quote" as the initial estimate, and their final quote was £21,540+VAT.

If there really is new FTTP infrastructure nearby (and not just a fibre leased line), you might be lucky. Only having a real survey will find out. It's a question of whether you want to spend £250+VAT to find out. If you can write that off as a business expense, then maybe it's worth a punt.

If you don't expect to stay for a long time then a leased line is another option. Expect to pay around £400 per month for a 100M/100M symmetric connection, on a 1-2 year contract.

FTTP is cheaper in the long run, and also makes your house more attractive to potential buyers - albeit less so if Gigaclear are coming anyway.
Standard User Azzy85
(newbie) Wed 16-Jan-19 20:03:34
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
Yes, Rob was very prompt at responding and found lots of info for me regarding all the options I had and what BT was doing in my area etc. I really cannot say anything but good things about the service I got from AMVIA. No pushy sales tactics, he sent me quotes for a 100/100mb leased line as well. I don't think G.Fast will be available for at least another 2yrs, unless FTTPoD comes out first. My whole street is full of old fogies lol OAPs that just about know how to switch a computer on, so FTTPoD is the least of their priorites, getting any of them onboard to chip in would be near on impossible. I shouldnt really complain though, on BT Fibre 2 80mb, i get download speeds of 10mb or so from p2p downloads, more official stuff like microsoft updates etc, it hits 30mb+ regularly. So that will hav to do for now.
Standard User Azzy85
(newbie) Wed 16-Jan-19 20:10:28
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
Unfortuantely, I won't be going with a surveyor quote. If the desktop quote was 15-20k then just as an assumption using 'man maths' in my head a surveryor quote could have been 8-12k, which i possibly could have swallowed. But having just spent £550k on property renovation, which went about 75K over budget frown Sadly the FTTPoD will have to be sacrificed for now. The aim was to have FTTP done as I've just had a nice new network put in thoughout the whole house, using CAT6 and gigabit switches. frown Either way im prepared for when Fibre finally does hit. Probably in the next couple of years i may just get the surveyor and get FTTPoD if there is no real progress in my area. For now I need to get this bank balance in a more Positive ratio lol
Standard User dect
(regular) Wed 16-Jan-19 22:39:29
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Azzy85] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Azzy85:
My whole street is full of old fogies
Sounds like my perfect street smile
Standard User dect
(regular) Thu 17-Jan-19 09:02:03
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
Am interested to know how long it normally takes to get a FTTPod desktop quote from Cerberus?
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Thu 17-Jan-19 09:19:11
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by dect:
Am interested to know how long it normally takes to get a FTTPod desktop quote from Cerberus?


For my neighbour it took 2 days. However some people have had to wait a lot longer, ie weeks. It guess it depends on how busy Cerberus/Openreach are and/or how easy it is for Openreach to put together the quote based on their database info.

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2
Standard User candlerb
(committed) Thu 17-Jan-19 09:21:47
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
From what I gather, they're usually turned around in a week or two. AMVIA is a reseller of Cerberus, so should be the same.
Standard User dect
(regular) Thu 17-Jan-19 11:53:09
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Thanks baby_frogemella and candlerb for your replies

Its seems a lot quicker than getting a desktop quote from BT's CFP team who I am told by a CFP contact that it takes them at least 4 weeks (even for the minimum number of premises). I know they use modelling software for the CFP prices I assume they use the same for FTTPod.
Standard User Rastus
(experienced) Thu 17-Jan-19 12:06:30
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Azzy85] [link to this post]
 
You're implying that OAPs don't know much about computers or care about Internet speeds, and I'd agree some don't, but you seem to be satisfied with achieving a download speed of 10mb (presumably per second).

I wouldn't be happy with downloading at only 10 millibits per second, however 10Mbs (Megabits) would probably be more acceptable.

FTTP 80/20 Mbps
Standard User Garlic
(learned) Thu 17-Jan-19 12:39:16
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Rastus] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Rastus:
You're implying that OAPs don't know much about computers or care about Internet speeds, and I'd agree some don't, but you seem to be satisfied with achieving a download speed of 10mb (presumably per second).


In fairness all the data says its a lot more than 'some'. OAPs are the group most likely not to use a PC/tablet and to not have internet at all and if they do to not have superfast speed even when offered!

@Baby One of the hopes of all the fttc/fttp work is that hopefully the line/route data is getting more accurate so quotes ought to get slowly more accurate and faster to turn around.

-----------
FTTP 80/20

Edited by Garlic (Thu 17-Jan-19 12:50:59)

Standard User candlerb
(committed) Thu 17-Jan-19 13:23:03
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by dect:
Am interested to know how long it normally takes to get a FTTPod desktop quote from Cerberus?


For my neighbour it took 2 days.


Interesting. Do you mind me asking: given that you already have FTTPoD, how much was your neighbour quoted for FTTPoD?

ISTR that you have the "old-school" FTTPoD, where they only activated a single property rather than the entire DP.

But I would have thought that a second FTTPoD ought to be able to re-use most of the infrastructure, so should be at the very bottom end of the price range.
Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Thu 17-Jan-19 13:33:25
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
But I would have thought that a second FTTPoD ought to be able to re-use most of the infrastructure, so should be at the very bottom end of the price range.


Nope. Full price quote.

I'm yet to see a desktop quote drop after new infrastructure has been installed.
Standard User dect
(regular) Thu 17-Jan-19 13:43:40
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Garlic] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Garlic:
In fairness all the data says its a lot more than 'some'. OAPs are the group most likely not to use a PC/tablet and to not have internet at all and if they do to not have superfast speed even when offered!
Yes there are older folk who are not interested in computers or the internet but there are also lots of youngest who only know how to swipe left or right on their mobile phones and who have zero interpersonal skills.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Thu 17-Jan-19 13:51:28
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by candlerb:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by dect:
Am interested to know how long it normally takes to get a FTTPod desktop quote from Cerberus?


For my neighbour it took 2 days.


Interesting. Do you mind me asking: given that you already have FTTPoD, how much was your neighbour quoted for FTTPoD?

ISTR that you have the "old-school" FTTPoD, where they only activated a single property rather than the entire DP.

But I would have thought that a second FTTPoD ought to be able to re-use most of the infrastructure, so should be at the very bottom end of the price range.


My immediate neighbour was quoted £17k from Cerberus (desktop survey). Given the u/g fibre DP (2 port i believe) installed for my FTTPoD line is almost on his doorstep (<20m), we were expecting the quote to be considerably less, ie less than £2k. It would be insane for Openreach not to make use of existing FTTP infrastructure, even those on legacy FTTPod builds. Anyway Mr Neighbour decided not to proceed, as he didn't want to risk losing £250 in case he pulled out (he's a tight git).

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2
Standard User Garlic
(regular) Thu 17-Jan-19 13:54:17
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by dect:
In reply to a post by Garlic:
In fairness all the data says its a lot more than 'some'. OAPs are the group most likely not to use a PC/tablet and to not have internet at all and if they do to not have superfast speed even when offered!
Yes there are older folk who are not interested in computers or the internet but there are also lots of youngest who only know how to swipe left or right on their mobile phones and who have zero interpersonal skills.


(Chuckles) while I sympathise with the swipe left I wasn't making an attack simple saying what the data says.

If OAPs had takeup rates as high as other groups many more exchanges would be economically viable/hit a clawback threshold or make fttp more viable/cost effective generally. Obviously this will correct itself with time on its own but for now its an issue!

-----------
FTTP 80/20
Standard User candlerb
(committed) Thu 17-Jan-19 14:12:50
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
My immediate neighbour was quoted £17k from Cerberus (desktop survey). Given the u/g fibre DP (2 port i believe) installed for my FTTPoD line is almost on his doorstep (<20m), we were expecting the quote to be considerably less, ie less than £2k. It would be insane for Openreach not to make use of existing FTTP infrastructure, even those on legacy FTTPod builds. Anyway Mr Neighbour decided not to proceed, as he didn't want to risk losing £250 in case he pulled out (he's a tight git).


Ha smile At least it confirms that the desktop process doesn't take into account detailed records or recent infrastructure.

There was a case where someone got a desktop quote of £34K, but went ahead anyway because they were sure there was a fibre aggregation node right next to the building. The final quote was £2,466.
Standard User Rastus
(experienced) Thu 17-Jan-19 14:15:53
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Garlic] [link to this post]
 
My point wasn't concerning what percentage of OAPs are computer illiterate, it was the irony of the person making the claim showing his/her own infallibility.

FTTP 80/20 Mbps
Standard User dect
(regular) Thu 17-Jan-19 15:42:24
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Garlic] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Garlic:
I wasn't making an attack simple saying what the data says.

If OAPs had takeup rates as high as other groups many more exchanges would be economically viable/hit a clawback threshold or make fttp more viable/cost effective generally.
As an assumption your most likely to be right (never thought it was an attack) but I won't be telling the youngest in my family that its my age that's preventing Openreach from rolling out FTTP in our area wink
Standard User Jabes
(member) Thu 17-Jan-19 15:43:10
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
My immediate neighbour was quoted £17k from Cerberus (desktop survey). Given the u/g fibre DP (2 port i believe) installed for my FTTPoD line is almost on his doorstep (<20m), we were expecting the quote to be considerably less, ie less than £2k. [..] Anyway Mr Neighbour decided not to proceed, as he didn't want to risk losing £250 in case he pulled out (he's a tight git).

He should have kept on!
I had a Band-E (old school) FTTPod install. They installed an 8-port DP on a pole near me.
One of my neighbours got a quote from cerebus, not sure what the desktop was but the surveyor quote was £1000.
Now another neighbour is doing it too.

Since I was Band E there's no way that the new figure isn't based off the fact the DP exists from may install.
Standard User candlerb
(committed) Thu 17-Jan-19 15:51:37
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Jabes] [link to this post]
 
That's good to know. I have a neighbour who might be interested once my FTTPoD has installed.

You also have to factor in the first year's rental uplift (100-62.50 = 37.50 per month, so an extra £450+VAT over the year)
Standard User Ixel
(committed) Thu 17-Jan-19 19:18:17
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
Well my recent progress...

The roadworks were meant to start a week ago but nobody turned up, was rescheduled to a week later. This morning a vehicle turned up with a digger, what appeared to be the underground chamber, and various other bits and pieces. They unloaded the digger, did something for an hour or two, then packed up everything (including the barricades and signs) and never returned. They didn't install the underground chamber so I can only assume something has prevented them from continuing at the moment.
Standard User Jabes
(member) Fri 18-Jan-19 18:48:32
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by candlerb:
That's good to know. I have a neighbour who might be interested once my FTTPoD has installed.

You also have to factor in the first year's rental uplift (100-62.50 = 37.50 per month, so an extra £450+VAT over the year)

Yes, but I paid £5k install and am paying £315/mo for three years (25 months to go) to get it here so I think that's a bit of a bargain!
Standard User rman
(newbie) Sat 19-Jan-19 22:20:40
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Ixel] [link to this post]
 
Ixel, it looks like we are both at a similar stage in the build. I'm awating 93m of new ducts to be "installed" along with a blockage clearance.

The 93m of ducts sounds like a huge job! Anyone know what this actually means?

When did you place your order/accept the build cost?
Standard User candlerb
(committed) Sun 20-Jan-19 09:47:14
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Ixel] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Ixel:
Well my recent progress...

The roadworks were meant to start a week ago but nobody turned up, was rescheduled to a week later. This morning a vehicle turned up with a digger, what appeared to be the underground chamber, and various other bits and pieces. They unloaded the digger, did something for an hour or two, then packed up everything (including the barricades and signs) and never returned. They didn't install the underground chamber so I can only assume something has prevented them from continuing at the moment.


I've had a couple of incidents like that.

My confirmed order went in end of June 2018, and is still ongoing. The route to the fibre aggregation node is approx 1.2km, through existing ducts all the way, apart from 34m of new duct identified in the survey.

In the first few months they were dealing with blocked ducts along part of the route nearest me. At one point they had to uncover a buried box, which was dug up and reinstated twice.

Then they had to install the new duct. In October they came along, barricaded the area and dug a small test hole, left it like that for about two weeks, then put a temporary filler in and removed the barricades. A couple of weeks later they came back and put in permanent filler. A few more weeks after that they came and dug it all up again to do the duct installation for real.

I am told the problem was with the wording on the original permit, which was unclear whether the work was in footway or carriageway.

They are now working further back along the route, and keep discovering new problems. December update identified another stretch of footway with duct blockages, requiring multi-way traffic signals (now scheduled for mid-Feb). Then in January they identified that a further 164m of new duct would be required, due to congestion and multiple blockages - not yet scheduled.

It's great that they're doing all this work, but it would have been so much faster if they'd identified all the problems along the route when they started!
Standard User Garlic
(regular) Sun 20-Jan-19 13:42:50
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: rman] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by rman:
Ixel, it looks like we are both at a similar stage in the build. I'm awating 93m of new ducts to be "installed" along with a blockage clearance.

The 93m of ducts sounds like a huge job! Anyone know what this actually means?

When did you place your order/accept the build cost?


Its one of those how long is a piece of string. Its can be quick and cheap with the right road/verge layout or a right PITA if you dig a busy road or other pipes are in the way. Same with blockage clearance. It can be small roots or mud or the whole thing has collapsed and has to be completely rebuilt.

Google something like "fibre ducts build explanation" and you'll find lots of guides to what they're doing

-----------
FTTP 80/20
Standard User UKconfederate
(learned) Mon 21-Jan-19 16:02:31
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: UKconfederate] [link to this post]
 
Well I've received my desktop quote back from Cerberus, the estimated cost is £14,100 + vat.

According to the email, I'm approximately 1000 - 1499m from the aggregate node & 12 properties would be past.
I think I'm going to pay the £300 deposit tomorrow to see what the final cost would be, although I won't hold my breath, it will come down too much.
Standard User abat
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 22-Jan-19 07:37:43
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
Some good news. An Openreach entry has popped up on Roadworks.org for unblocking ducts, it is just around the corner from me so hopefully this issue is getting resolved. Dates are 24-26 so it is soon.

I guess it could be for something unrelated but it is definitely on the route to our house and is an Openreach entry to unblock ducts. I'm still not sure what the private permission was all about - maybe it was from the developer but I thought the roads were adopted years ago.

Mike
Standard User brookheather
(regular) Wed 23-Jan-19 11:55:42
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
So my update is that OR claimed to have cleared all the blocked ducts and the OR guys were on site this morning to run the cable from the DP to my house. However it turns out the final section of duct outside my house is still blocked - they reported it after Christmas but it hasn't actually been fixed so they have left my fibre cable coiled up in the pavement box one house away. So now back to waiting for OR to clear ducts again - very frustrating!

One strange fact is that the DP is now about 15 houses away not near my house - I'm expecting just the three neighbours either side to be enabled for FTTP once mine is installed. They said anyone having FTTP will have to have a cable run from this DP and they reckon there is only room in the ducts for a couple more FTTP cables so not sure who is going to end up with native FTTP at this point.
Standard User bomber456
(committed) Wed 23-Jan-19 12:41:38
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: bomber456] [link to this post]
 
Payment went out yesterday, so hopefully my survey will take place next week.

...
Standard User rman
(newbie) Wed 23-Jan-19 14:42:15
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by abat:
Some good news. An Openreach entry has popped up on Roadworks.org for unblocking ducts, it is just around the corner from me so hopefully this issue is getting resolved. Dates are 24-26 so it is soon.

I guess it could be for something unrelated but it is definitely on the route to our house and is an Openreach entry to unblock ducts. I'm still not sure what the private permission was all about - maybe it was from the developer but I thought the roads were adopted years ago.


Checked mine today and there's also a new entry to clear blocked ducts down my road, looks like they are starting next tuesday!

Final step (i hope) will be 93m of new duct, not a clue where that will be happening at the moment.
Standard User Alvintc
(newbie) Fri 25-Jan-19 14:01:56
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Alvintc] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Alvintc:
I've requested my full survey.
Timeline:
2/10/18 - Requested desktop survey (Cerberus)
18/10/18 - Desktop survey £15,600.00 (ex. VAT)
23/10/18 - Full survey requested


25/1/19 - Quote received: £6,838.37 (+ VAT)

Labour £4,446.39
Stores £2,788.98
Civils £408.00
BT Connection Charge £495.00

Deductions :
-£1,050.00 (houses passed)
-£250.00 (survey fee)

Proceeding!!

Edited by Alvintc (Fri 25-Jan-19 14:09:56)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 25-Jan-19 14:23:45
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Alvintc] [link to this post]
 
Good for you. I hope it all goes smoothly smile.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
==================================================
If you never think of anything off the wall, you'll never think of anything original.
Standard User candlerb
(committed) Fri 25-Jan-19 14:51:12
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Alvintc] [link to this post]
 
Fantastic news!

I didn't get a breakdown like yours. The £1050 deduction for homes passed implies that 21 additional properties will be enabled for FTTP, which means you will have done a great community service too.
Standard User dect
(regular) Fri 25-Jan-19 15:17:53
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Alvintc] [link to this post]
 
Timeline and breakdown was really good to see and very helpful for those that are considering the FTTPoD avenue.
Standard User mrbaba
(newbie) Fri 25-Jan-19 16:03:51
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: griff_90] [link to this post]
 
I just placed an order with Cerberus for the field survey.
The desktop quote came in at 10,700 and I was a band D property on the old system.

I'm curious what the final costs comes back as, here's hoping it's not too bad.
Standard User mac_return
(newbie) Sun 27-Jan-19 19:27:46
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: mrbaba] [link to this post]
 
Hi All,
For shared info on a Cerberus request.

Requested Desktop quote: 27/12/18
Acknowledge FTTPoD Desktop Survey request had been sent: 27/12/18
Received Desktop Quote: 08/01/19
Requested Full Field Survey: 10/01/19

Currently waiting for the final build cost quote...

Desktop Quote:
We have now received the estimate of the charges from BT. These are detailed below.

Estimated Build Cost: £8,500.00 ex VAT

The build charge includes the estimate for the work and materials required to deliver the service. It also includes the connection charge.

Number of premises passed for FTTP: 1

Please note that this is an estimated price based on network records. Openreach are not always able to provide an estimate in this way and a full survey may be required. Installation charges are only confirmed by a full survey once you place an order for the service.

Openreach estimate that the distance to the fibre aggregation node serving your premises is 200 - 399m. The distance to the aggregation node will have an effect on the installation price.

The build estimate includes a reduction for the number of premises passed as these would be able to obtain FTTP as a consequence of your build. Customers at these premises may submit a linked FTTPoD order to share the construction costs.
Standard User jabuzzard
(member) Mon 28-Jan-19 14:27:47
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Garlic] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Garlic:
If OAPs had takeup rates as high as other groups many more exchanges would be economically viable/hit a clawback threshold or make fttp more viable/cost effective generally. Obviously this will correct itself with time on its own but for now its an issue!


You would have thought that a sensible company that new how to predict uptake of broadband products (so emphatically not Openreach) would take into account the current demographic of the area and model what the passage of time would do to that and how it might effect uptake.

Old people don't live forever. They either die or move into care homes and the replacement residents are unlikely to be satisfied with rubbish broadband.
Standard User dect
(regular) Mon 28-Jan-19 15:01:20
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: jabuzzard] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by jabuzzard:
Old people don't live forever.
I had to laugh when I saw this, unless I am wrong I thought that no one lived forever regardless of their current age. So the quote to be more accurate really should have said "People don't live forever."
Standard User gary333
(newbie) Tue 29-Jan-19 15:23:35
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Alvintc] [link to this post]
 
My Desktop Quote:

Estimated Build Cost: £11,000.00 ex VAT

Number of premises passed for FTTP: 12

Openreach estimate that the distance to the fibre aggregation node serving your premises is 600 - 799m. The distance to the aggregation node will have an effect on the installation price

Is there a way to find out which 12 properties are 'passed' to see if they would like to co-order?
Standard User brookheather
(regular) Tue 29-Jan-19 15:36:17
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: gary333] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by gary333:
Is there a way to find out which 12 properties are 'passed' to see if they would like to co-order?

Did you get the quote through Cerberus - just ask them and OR should provide you with the list. Bear in mind that any official co-orders will only benefit from a £500 voucher which is outweighed by the increased 12 month £100+vat cost. You would be better to organise a "donation" from your neighbour as they would be able to order native FTTP after your installation.
Standard User F00tS0re
(learned) Thu 31-Jan-19 11:17:28
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: brookheather] [link to this post]
 
Well after four weeks stuck in the doldrums I have some action.

The doldrums - four weeks of waiting for blowers, or waiting for customer to complete his works (I did them ages ago), or waiting for fibre to be ordered.

The action - Single BT van spotted in lane this morning by OH on school run. Went to see what was happening and it was the Openreach Project Manager. Whoopee. Had a good chat and he is on the case to move it forward. He walked my duct line, and reviewed and approved internal locations, and access.

- Has already chased for groundwork team to come and drill the ground box to connect my 170m of duct to the ground box.
- Is meeting the blowers on relevant section this morning to review.
- Suggested I might be better with a 4-port ONT given the number of properties we have he could see we might end up with multiple services.
- Apparently the new connecterised cables only have a single fibre in them. 300m one on order as my duct is 170m and smaller one is 150m! Will have to coil 130m of duct in ground box presumably.
- Told me my order required 5 nodes to be built on route to property from the exchange and first one is complete. (I know everyone says it doesn't come from the exchange but it is what they all say).

He is pushing to get completed asap, and even gave me his contact details.

Dave
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Thu 31-Jan-19 12:31:42
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
- Apparently the new connecterised cables only have a single fibre in them. 300m one on order as my duct is 170m and smaller one is 150m! Will have to coil 130m of duct in ground box presumably.


It might be too late now but i would politely ask the Openreach manager if they can instead blow the fibre from the DP to your premises - they sometimes do this if the distance is greater than 150-160m to the DP and as an alternative to using the special extra long connectorised cables. Reason being that you would get 4 fibre strands blown to your property with 3 strands kept as spares. As each strand supports at least 4 FTTP lines/services, it means extra FTTP services can be added relatively easily without Openreach having to run extra fibre(s) to the DP.

This is the Customer Splice Point (CSP) installed outside my home with the 4 fibre strands blown into it:

https://i.postimg.cc/sfn65Jzg/IMG-0360.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Qd7fGGTF/IMG-0361.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/c42Fb4rq/IMG-0362.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/kXBjstMF/IMG-0363.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/0Nqc9WYc/IMG-0364.jpg

In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
- Told me my order required 5 nodes to be built on route to property from the exchange and first one is complete. (I know everyone says it doesn't come from the exchange but it is what they all say).

It might be that your nearest agg node is outside the exchange (happens in rural areas) hence why they keep saying your line is coming from the exchange.

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2
Standard User F00tS0re
(learned) Thu 31-Jan-19 12:50:54
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
- Told me my order required 5 nodes to be built on route to property from the exchange and first one is complete. (I know everyone says it doesn't come from the exchange but it is what they all say).

It might be that your nearest agg node is outside the exchange (happens in rural areas) hence why they keep saying your line is coming from the exchange.

Are the nodes they are adding Agg Nodes? Have they elected to roll out a tonne of stuff in conjunction with my job? I don't mind if they have. I agreed the price, if they stick to it then they can anything they like?
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Thu 31-Jan-19 13:22:01
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
- Told me my order required 5 nodes to be built on route to property from the exchange and first one is complete. (I know everyone says it doesn't come from the exchange but it is what they all say).

It might be that your nearest agg node is outside the exchange (happens in rural areas) hence why they keep saying your line is coming from the exchange.

Are the nodes they are adding Agg Nodes? Have they elected to roll out a tonne of stuff in conjunction with my job? I don't mind if they have. I agreed the price, if they stick to it then they can anything they like?

No idea, but your build is on a mutually agreed fixed price basis so any extra work done by Openreach will be at their own cost.

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2

Edited by baby_frogmella (Thu 31-Jan-19 13:22:55)

Standard User dect
(regular) Thu 31-Jan-19 13:42:36
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
Are the nodes they are adding Agg Nodes?
My understanding (which is very very limited to say the least and only what I have learnt on here) is there are a number of other types of node in additional to aggregation like primary splitter, splitter DP, track joint so some of these may make up your 5 nodes. Someone with the expertise will probably be able to advise more.

Edited by dect (Thu 31-Jan-19 13:53:12)

Standard User F00tS0re
(learned) Thu 31-Jan-19 13:56:27
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by dect:
In reply to a post by F00tS0re:
Are the nodes they are adding Agg Nodes?
My understanding (which is very very limited to say the least and only what I have learnt on here) is there are a number of other types of node in additional to aggregation like primary splitter, splitter DP, track joint so some of these may make up your 5 nodes. Someone with the expertise will probably be able to advise more.


Thanks, makes sense. the only one I had come across was an Agg node. Presumably some form of joint somewhere.

Thanks
Dave
Standard User dect
(regular) Fri 01-Feb-19 11:31:15
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Hi baby_frogmella

I know you always say if the fibre run is long they may blown the fibres instead of using a connectorised cable but does anyone know if they mix and match these on the same deployment? e.g. for neighbouring properties some are blown and some have connectorised cables (depending on distance)? I think it would be unlikely but interest to know if they do.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Fri 01-Feb-19 11:44:22
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by dect:
Hi baby_frogmella

I know you always say if the fibre run is long they may blown the fibres instead of using a connectorised cable but does anyone know if they mix and match these on the same deployment? e.g. for neighbouring properties some are blown and some have connectorised cables (depending on distance)? I think it would be unlikely but interest to know if they do.


No idea mate, I guess it depends if the same fibre DP supports both connectorized & blown fibre. I think that's one for Zarjaz to answer smile

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2
Standard User F00tS0re
(learned) Fri 01-Feb-19 17:00:51
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Well my update today (and not via Cereberus) is as follows:

What's black, thin and comes out of a grey duct in the greenhouse outside the office/server room. A fibre - whoopee!

Same engineer is returning Monday to complete the outside connection and then the internal connection onto an old four port ONT, if I want multiple services. He has couple of joints to test on the route same day. So physically I should be complete by Monday pm. Then just need the back office bits sorted.

Connectorised CBT (4-port) mounted on frame in ground box at end of drive, then connectorised cable pulled to property but no connector on the property end, this is just cable. Whether they cut connector off for house end because he had a 320m fibre and only a 170m run I can't comment as I didn't see this part.

Now must make the decision on router to upgrade from Draytek 2860 as the firewall will only really handle 200MB. We have 9 UniFi APs so a USP Pro (which a lot of people hate) or a PFSense.

Tick Tock nearly there.
Standard User candlerb
(committed) Fri 01-Feb-19 17:17:45
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
Sounds great.

Mikrotik routers are worth shortlisting too. I have the hEX PoE, which will probably be good enough for 350Mbps on a typical packet mix - but I would happily upgrade if necessary.

Check out the block diagrams (under "Support and download") for each model, to understand some of the limitations - e.g. you might find five gig ethernet ports share a single gig port to the CPU.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 01-Feb-19 19:26:29
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: F00tS0re] [link to this post]
 
No connector on the house end because that’s how it comes ....

The ONT will be fitted, the black cable run round and in, losing its black jacket once inside showing the thinner white inner covering, then the connector will be put on the end, a light loss test made, if all good, then into ONT it goes. Hopefully you’ll be getting a steady PON light shortly after.

Standard User abat
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 02-Feb-19 10:48:23
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
My update this week was good news, "Civils estimate to clear duct blockage has now been completed". I am reading this as the blockage is cleared although I guess it could mean the estimate to clear is done. It did appear on roadworks.org but didn't see any activity but I could well have missed it.

Mike
Standard User F00tS0re
(learned) Sat 02-Feb-19 16:29:12
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by abat:
My update this week was good news, "Civils estimate to clear duct blockage has now been completed". I am reading this as the blockage is cleared although I guess it could mean the estimate to clear is done. It did appear on roadworks.org but didn't see any activity but I could well have missed it.

It is amazing the ambiguity they can get into even a simple message!
Standard User Garlic
(regular) Sun 03-Feb-19 09:31:16
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: abat] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by abat:
My update this week was good news, "Civils estimate to clear duct blockage has now been completed". I am reading this as the blockage is cleared although I guess it could mean the estimate to clear is done. It did appear on roadworks.org but didn't see any activity but I could well have missed it.


I'd read that as the estimate is in not the work done. But precise wording could make that clearer.

-----------
FTTP 80/20
Standard User brookheather
(regular) Mon 04-Feb-19 19:42:51
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Garlic] [link to this post]
 
So the duct outside my house was finally cleared so now waiting for the cablers to return to actually do the final installation. The OR guys who cleared the duct were confused by the fibre cable - they said it was a 36 fibre cable not the smaller cable that would go to an individual house. When the cablers were here they measured out enough length to reach the back of my house where the ONT will be installed so they were expecting this 36 fibre cable to run straight to my ONT. Surely there will need to be a CBT installed somewhere nearby and a smaller fibre cable run to my house?
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 04-Feb-19 20:40:04
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: brookheather] [link to this post]
 
Something sounds askew there ...

I expect there has just been a misunderstanding, I reckon it’ll all work out right in the end.

Standard User Garlic
(regular) Tue 05-Feb-19 12:49:29
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: brookheather] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by brookheather:
The OR guys who cleared the duct were confused by the fibre cable - they said it was a 36 fibre cable not the smaller cable that would go to an individual house. When the cablers were here they measured out enough length to reach the back of my house where the ONT will be installed so they were expecting this 36 fibre cable to run straight to my ONT. Surely there will need to be a CBT installed somewhere nearby and a smaller fibre cable run to my house?


They did that with mine. But as they'd already buried it it was too late!

-----------
FTTP 80/20
Standard User F00tS0re
(learned) Tue 05-Feb-19 13:14:36
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Garlic] [link to this post]
 
Well the engineer returned and installed the external box and the ONT on Monday, but no flashing green light. They have a problem on one of the joints and the cold weather on Monday seems to have given them equipment issues getting this last fibre joint connected. frown
Back tomorrow in the hope it has warmed up, after then engineer is off on his holidays for a week (I don't doubt he deserves them). I hope it's tomorrow!

4-port ONT installed, come on. Holiday cottages full for half term. Faster Broadband by then would be ace.

Dave
Standard User brookheather
(regular) Tue 05-Feb-19 13:16:22
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Garlic] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Garlic:
In reply to a post by brookheather:
The OR guys who cleared the duct were confused by the fibre cable - they said it was a 36 fibre cable not the smaller cable that would go to an individual house. When the cablers were here they measured out enough length to reach the back of my house where the ONT will be installed so they were expecting this 36 fibre cable to run straight to my ONT. Surely there will need to be a CBT installed somewhere nearby and a smaller fibre cable run to my house?


They did that with mine. But as they'd already buried it it was too late!

So they just connected one of the fibre strands in the 36 strand cable? Did they not install a CBT then - if not then did your neighbours not get native FTTP either?
Standard User Garlic
(regular) Tue 05-Feb-19 15:34:10
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: brookheather] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by brookheather:
In reply to a post by Garlic:
In reply to a post by brookheather:
The OR guys who cleared the duct were confused by the fibre cable - they said it was a 36 fibre cable not the smaller cable that would go to an individual house. When the cablers were here they measured out enough length to reach the back of my house where the ONT will be installed so they were expecting this 36 fibre cable to run straight to my ONT. Surely there will need to be a CBT installed somewhere nearby and a smaller fibre cable run to my house?


They did that with mine. But as they'd already buried it it was too late!

So they just connected one of the fibre strands in the 36 strand cable? Did they not install a CBT then - if not then did your neighbours not get native FTTP either?


No CBT. One cable just to me. My nearest neighbours are about 500-600yrds on the cable route. They have their own cable. The neighbours about 1+ mile away may have a CBT - there are 5 or so houses there.

I got the distinct impression that the works team were deployed so far away from their base that they just used what they had as it was just too much hassle to get anything else. (They covered the fibre down the pole on the main road hedge which is flailed twice a year with a plastic cover!!)

-----------
FTTP 80/20

Edited by Garlic (Tue 05-Feb-19 15:36:25)

Standard User bowdon
(committed) Thu 07-Feb-19 11:22:50
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Ixel] [link to this post]
 
I started the ball rolling and just got the desktop survey back.

23/01/2019 - Applied for Desktop Survey
07/02/2019 - Desktop Survey recieved - £11800
07/02/2019 - Request Full Survey

Estimated Build Cost: £11,800.00 ex VAT
Number of premises passed for FTTP: 18
Openreach estimate that the distance to the fibre aggregation node serving your premises is 400 - 599m.

I paid the £250 for the full survey, so we'll see how it goes. Hopefully it'll come down in price. I suspect the 18 properties are coming through the estate from the same way my current FTTC cabinet does.

When installing FTTP does it have to come fully via ducts underground? Can't it come from post to post part of the way, or does it only come out of the ground at the final post before my house?

BT Infinity 2 - ECI Cabinet
Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Thu 07-Feb-19 11:46:16
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: bowdon] [link to this post]
 
No it doesn't have to come underground.

If your existing copper line is from a pole then the fibre will likely come on the same pole(s).

The 18 properties are those closest to you, who share the same copper DP.

Edited by j0hn83 (Thu 07-Feb-19 11:46:40)

Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Thu 07-Feb-19 11:49:46
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: bowdon] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by bowdon:
When installing FTTP does it have to come fully via ducts underground? Can't it come from post to post part of the way, or does it only come out of the ground at the final post before my house?


It depends on the existing Openreach infrastructure in your area - for obvious reasons Openreach will always try to make use of their existing infrastrucre first.

If your property isn't that old then its very likely everything will be in u/g ducts in your area which means the fibre will also come via duct. My home isn't that old (built in late 2000s) with not an o/h pole in sight and the fibre comes u/g all the way from the agg node.

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2
Standard User candlerb
(committed) Thu 07-Feb-19 13:11:46
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: bowdon] [link to this post]
 
I believe the most common configuration is that a DP pole is fed from underground - and it sounds like this is the case for your copper connection.

They would try to maintain that if possible, because the backhaul is better protected that way leaving only the aerial drop exposed, but they *can* string fibre from pole to pole if they choose to.
Standard User dect
(member) Thu 07-Feb-19 13:58:59
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: bowdon] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by bowdon:
When installing FTTP does it have to come fully via ducts underground? Can't it come from post to post part of the way, or does it only come out of the ground at the final post before my house?
Its worth noting that the maximum fibre span between two poles is smaller than for existing copper cables. If the span is too large infill poles are required to help achieve the span limit.
Standard User bowdon
(committed) Thu 07-Feb-19 22:36:17
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by dect:
Its worth noting that the maximum fibre span between two poles is smaller than for existing copper cables. If the span is too large infill poles are required to help achieve the span limit.


It'll be interesting how they do it.

Does anyone know how long it takes for the OR survey to be done? I noticed on the information pages it kept mentioning 6 weeks. Is that about right or can it happen sooner or later than that on average?

BT Infinity 2 - ECI Cabinet
Standard User candlerb
(committed) Fri 08-Feb-19 08:29:32
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: bowdon] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by bowdon:
Does anyone know how long it takes for the OR survey to be done? I noticed on the information pages it kept mentioning 6 weeks. Is that about right or can it happen sooner or later than that on average?


Both: it sounds about right for the average, and it can happen sooner or later than that for individual installs.

For me it was 11 weeks from placing the order until the survey took place - this includes an initial 4 week delay because of a system problem preventing the order being accepted. Then it was another 4 weeks from the survey being done to getting the quote back.
Standard User Alvintc
(newbie) Fri 08-Feb-19 12:54:11
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Alvintc] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Alvintc:
In reply to a post by Alvintc:
I've requested my full survey.
Timeline:
2/10/18 - Requested desktop survey (Cerberus)
18/10/18 - Desktop survey £15,600.00 (ex. VAT)
23/10/18 - Full survey requested


25/1/19 - Quote received: £6,838.37 (+ VAT)

Labour £4,446.39
Stores £2,788.98
Civils £408.00
BT Connection Charge £495.00

Deductions :
-£1,050.00 (houses passed)
-£250.00 (survey fee)

Proceeding!!


Openreach advised that underground cabling estimate has now been raised with an estimated completion date of 22/02/19.
Standard User Feejus
(newbie) Mon 11-Feb-19 17:24:09
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: griff_90] [link to this post]
 
Dear All,
I just wanted to give you my update as i think it is well worth a read. In October 2018 i requested a desktop quote for FTTPoD.

The area is Totteridge, in High Wycombe.

The first response is a desktop quote which is super expensive.

We have now received the estimate of the charges from BT. These are detailed below.
Estimated Build Cost: £17,100.00 ex VAT
The build charge includes the estimate for the work and materials required to deliver the service. It also includes the connection charge.
Number of premises passed for FTTP: 5


I have followed it up with a full quote, which i am expecting within a week, however here is the twist I also got a letter from "Virgin Media" who said they want to expand into the area I live. I am wondering if there is some back handling of my data and someone has leaked information to Virgin Media that someone in my area is looking at FTTPoD and this raised their interest.

Mind you that 3 houses down they are able to get G.Fast however i am just a bit to far away. Few houses down the road is able to get 145 Mbit down. I would have been ok with this but i am on a 46Mbit right now with BT.

I keep you all posted on this as i get the final quote.

Thanx
Feejus
Standard User candlerb
(committed) Mon 11-Feb-19 18:21:42
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: Feejus] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Feejus:
however here is the twist I also got a letter from "Virgin Media" who said they want to expand into the area I live. I am wondering if there is some back handling of my data and someone has leaked information to Virgin Media that someone in my area is looking at FTTPoD and this raised their interest.


Highly unlikely, and they wouldn't care anyway. Virgin will be looking to cover a whole area of properties; one person interested in FTTPoD is neither here no there.

In reply to a post by Feejus:
Mind you that 3 houses down they are able to get G.Fast however i am just a bit to far away. Few houses down the road is able to get 145 Mbit down. I would have been ok with this but i am on a 46Mbit right now with BT.


Sounds like you are served from a different cabinet, or the copper takes a substantially longer route to reach your property.

On the BT wholesale checker, when you check by phone number, what does it give as the upper and lower ranges for VDSL speed?
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Mon 11-Feb-19 18:26:45
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: candlerb] [link to this post]
 
I've replied to Feejus here as this thread getting very long (27 pages!!) and should be closed by the mods:

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/f/4612934-ftt...

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2

Edited by baby_frogmella (Mon 11-Feb-19 18:27:46)

Standard User Rastus
(experienced) Mon 11-Feb-19 21:37:58
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
... as this thread getting very long (27 pages!!) ...


I agree it's getting long, but 27 pages? Only if you read it in 'Flat' mode, try 'Threaded' then it's a single page! wink

FTTP 80/20 Mbps
Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Tue 12-Feb-19 10:29:58
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Change your post per page count, this is 3 pages long.

The last FTTPoD thread was 7 or 8 pages.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 12-Feb-19 10:38:47
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: j0hn83] [link to this post]
 
Yep. Same here. Collapsed Flat mode, 99 threads per page, 99 posts per page.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
==================================================
If you never think of anything off the wall, you'll never think of anything original.
Standard User dect
(member) Tue 12-Feb-19 10:46:03
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
You did your best to be helpful!!!!!
Standard User dect
(member) Tue 12-Feb-19 11:21:21
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: j0hn83] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by j0hn83:
Change your post per page count, this is 3 pages long.

The last FTTPoD thread was 7 or 8 pages.
Just to correct you, the last thread was 30 pages compared to this one of 27 page so not massively bigger than this one.

Last time it was closed by Seb and he said "Closing this thread due to size."
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Tue 12-Feb-19 11:31:40
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: j0hn83] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by j0hn83:
The last FTTPoD thread was 7 or 8 pages.


Really? Changing my post per page count to 99, i'm seeing 4 pages of the previous closed thread so not that much bigger than the current thread:

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/f/4595298-ftt...

Irrespective of whether its 27 pages long or 3 pages long, its a pain in the goolies having to view a few hundred posts in flat mode on a device which doesn't have the 'end' key such as an iPhone browser.

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2

Edited by baby_frogmella (Tue 12-Feb-19 11:37:18)

Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Tue 12-Feb-19 11:36:37
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
You are correct.
The thread before that was 41 pages, and the Cerberus thread 39 pages.

I suggest anyone who has an issue with the thread length tweak their settings to show more more posts per thread.

I personally see no need to restart these threads too often, and 3 pages is more than manageable.

If the staff choose to do this that's up to them.
Users suddenly deciding they don't like thread lengths though and creating new ones?
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 12-Feb-19 11:37:01
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
But when you click on a thread in the list showing unread posts it goes to the first unread. Which is brilliant.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
==================================================
If you never think of anything off the wall, you'll never think of anything original.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 12-Feb-19 11:42:22
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: j0hn83] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by j0hn83:
Users suddenly deciding they don't like thread lengths though and creating new ones?
... Just causes chaos.

However, although I agree with you about user settings, I see nothing wrong with someone suggesting a thread be closed due to the length they see. Trying to pre-emptively force it is a different matter. Not a good idea.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
==================================================
If you never think of anything off the wall, you'll never think of anything original.
Standard User dect
(member) Tue 12-Feb-19 11:45:15
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: j0hn83] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by j0hn83:
You are correct.
The thread before that was 41 pages, and the Cerberus thread 39 pages.

I suggest anyone who has an issue with the thread length tweak their settings to show more more posts per thread.

I personally see no need to restart these threads too often, and 3 pages is more than manageable.

If the staff choose to do this that's up to them.
Users suddenly deciding they don't like thread lengths though and creating new ones?
Having a page size of 99 may work for you but sadly not for everyone, so because you see no reason to restart it means it shouldn't be restarted. Thanks for being a community minded person.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Tue 12-Feb-19 11:46:18
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: j0hn83] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by j0hn83:
If the staff choose to do this that's up to them.
Users suddenly deciding they don't like thread lengths though and creating new ones?


Well the mods did specifically say anyone is allowed to create a new thread with links to the old one (instead of leaving it up to the mods) and as this was was almost the same size as the previous one, I thought it would be helpful:

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4604821-re-...

Obviously i shouldn't have bothered...

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2
Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Tue 12-Feb-19 11:48:26
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by dect:
In reply to a post by j0hn83:
You are correct.
The thread before that was 41 pages, and the Cerberus thread 39 pages.

I suggest anyone who has an issue with the thread length tweak their settings to show more more posts per thread.

I personally see no need to restart these threads too often, and 3 pages is more than manageable.

If the staff choose to do this that's up to them.
Users suddenly deciding they don't like thread lengths though and creating new ones?
Having a page size of 99 may work for you but sadly not for everyone, so because you see no reason to restart it means it shouldn't be restarted. Thanks for being a community minded person.


You prefer the approach where a single user says "threads too long for my liking, here's a new one".

Yea... that's community minded.

I see nothing wrong with someone suggesting a thread be closed due to the length they see. Trying to pre-emptively force it is a different matter. Not a good idea.


This ^^^ Would have been the right approach.
Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Tue 12-Feb-19 11:50:43
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
You read that different to me....

I read that as when the staff close a thread and make a new 1, if you don't like that we didn't add a link to the old thread, add it yourself.

You need to read the previous posts for context.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Tue 12-Feb-19 11:53:34
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by RobertoS:
I see nothing wrong with someone suggesting a thread be closed due to the length they see. Trying to pre-emptively force it is a different matter. Not a good idea.


Point taken, I should have asked first. Anyway moving forward, its up to the mods if they want to close this thread or not - if they decide to leave it open then they should delete the new thread i created earlier to avoid confusion:

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/f/4612934-ftt...

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2

Edited by baby_frogmella (Tue 12-Feb-19 11:58:51)

Standard User dect
(member) Tue 12-Feb-19 12:15:15
Print Post

Re: FTTPoD desktop quotes and final prices


[re: j0hn83] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by j0hn83:
In reply to a post by dect:
In reply to a post by j0hn83:
You are correct.
The thread before that was 41 pages, and the Cerberus thread 39 pages.

I suggest anyone who has an issue with the thread length tweak their settings to show more more posts per thread.

I personally see no need to restart these threads too often, and 3 pages is more than manageable.

If the staff choose to do this that's up to them.
Users suddenly deciding they don't like thread lengths though and creating new ones?
Having a page size of 99 may work for you but sadly not for everyone, so because you see no reason to restart it means it shouldn't be restarted. Thanks for being a community minded person.


You prefer the approach where a single user says "threads too long for my liking, here's a new one".

Yea... that's community minded.

I see nothing wrong with someone suggesting a thread be closed due to the length they see. Trying to pre-emptively force it is a different matter. Not a good idea.


This ^^^ Would have been the right approach.
If we had to have a debate before a new thread was started it could go on for another 30 pages, and before anyone suggests a referendum to decide we know the thread would never end up getting closed.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 12-Feb-19 12:31:31
Print Post

Closed due to length


[re: griff_90] [link to this post]
 
A part 3 is up and running at http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4612934-ftt...

The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Pages in this thread: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | (show all)   Print Thread

Jump to