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Standard User mrnelster
(committed) Thu 12-May-11 19:35:19
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A taste of their own medicine.


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Technically gifted, but socially inept. The word nerd springs to mind.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0f21fe98-7b3a-11e0-9b06-00...

More socially empathetic individuals would have attacked Sony's corporate systems, not the network that likeminded individuals used. Propaganda is all well and good, but picking your battles is the key to winning a war. wink

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Standard User john2007
(legend) Thu 12-May-11 20:33:31
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It's all conjecture. Perhaps Sony are spreading such rumours to deflect criticism of their inability to properly maintain a web-site.
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Thu 12-May-11 20:56:30
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Technically gifted, but socially inept. The word nerd springs to mind..
What do you mean?



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Standard User mrnelster
(committed) Thu 12-May-11 21:13:25
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It's all conjecture.

How do you come to that conclusion?

Did you read the article? If by some hollywood style fantasy the FT has been duped by the evil Sony overlords then you might be right!

If however you follow the links in the article to the annonymous website, you will see it is not conjecture. If it is fabricated, then it is annonymous up to something themselves.

You are welcome to hate Sony. I'm not a fan of any big corporation. But why defend the position of people that ruined the experience of 77 million gamers, when they should've been out looking for a girlfriend?

If you can post a link as to why it's conjecture (not the girlfriend thing, that's fact) that would be constructive. Thanks.wink

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Standard User mrnelster
(committed) Thu 12-May-11 21:15:58
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What do you think i mean? Did you read the article? I think you know really, so I wont rise to it. wink
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Standard User FireFalcon
(experienced) Thu 12-May-11 21:20:58
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Agreed, sony's previous strategy has been to literally sue the internet, pull twitter/paypal/IP hits, etc from geohot and others sites on a massive data mining exercise.

I do suspect that sony blaming anonymous is a massive deflection and using them as a scapegoat, what would reassure people more? that some "random bunch of internet people" did it in a "revenge attack" or that some proper organised set of people did it for financial gain?

Considering data was swiped its more likely to be the latter.
Standard User mrnelster
(committed) Thu 12-May-11 21:25:05
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You might be right. But we are not talking about whether or not annonymous are entierely responsible for the hack. We know by their own admission that they started the DOS attacks. You may be correct that someone else did the rest.

But are you seriously suggesting after reading the article and following the links in it, that the Sony corporation hacked and defaced the annonymous website??

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Standard User FireFalcon
(experienced) Fri 13-May-11 03:18:13
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Nah, i don't think sony did that. Sony fanboys would have though.
Standard User mrnelster
(committed) Fri 13-May-11 06:28:07
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I would of thought a hacker would be a PC orientated person?

A Sony fanboy probably wouldn't know where to start.
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Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Fri 13-May-11 07:26:24
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What do you think i mean? Did you read the article?
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I have no idea how your statement relates to the article. Did you read it?



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Standard User mrnelster
(committed) Fri 13-May-11 08:10:05
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Troll somewhere else please. Better still, contribute by starting your own thread and then you can goad as much as you like.
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Standard User Jaxx281
(member) Fri 13-May-11 09:35:43
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Haha, I loved this line:

Technically gifted, but socially inept. The word nerd springs to mind.

There are a lot of those people on this forum I've noticed tongue Some people are happy to live in their own little Internet world with their cyber buddies and think such attacks are funny or show talent when in reality they are just weasels....

Standard User mrnelster
(committed) Fri 13-May-11 12:54:36
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Some people are happy to live in their own little Internet world with their cyber buddies and think such attacks are funny or show talent when in reality they are just weasels....

Precisely mate. The whole point of forums is to discuss ideas and debate issues with like minded individuals, whether they be experts or amateurs. It isn't meant to be competitive. The trouble is too many so called experts always have to try to impress, rather than share their knowledge constructively.

As the very knowledgable RobertoS quotes, Where talent is a dwarf, self esteem is a giant. I am doing my best to use that quote every day! wink

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Standard User Jaxx281
(member) Fri 13-May-11 14:28:47
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Yup agree with you entirely, although from my experience RobertoS is one of those kind of people, last post I was involved in he was trying to prove his knowledge over a member of staff from my ISP, even if he was correct and the staff was wrong I still think it's a bit sad when you have to go out of your way to cause that person grief, there is just no need.

Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Fri 13-May-11 21:44:55
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Troll somewhere else please. Better still, contribute by starting your own thread and then you can goad as much as you like.
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Interesting post given your opening gambit "Technically gifted, but socially inept." laugh



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Standard User mrnelster
(committed) Sat 14-May-11 00:24:43
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In reply to a post by mrnelster:
Troll somewhere else please. Better still, contribute by starting your own thread and then you can goad as much as you like.
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Interesting post given your opening gambit "Technically gifted, but socially inept." laugh

The point to my post is that you are a troll. You havent posted on here for as long as I can remember, but when you do it is only to goad. If you have an opinion on the subject being discussed, then post it constructively. I very much doubt you have the nuts to talk to people face to face in the same manner you do all across these forums. You are obviously not stupid, so don't act like it.

Add constructively to my thread or like I said before, start your own. wink
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Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sat 14-May-11 08:11:25
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Add constructively to my thread or like I said before, start your own. wink .
I asked you a question to which you responded with insults, like a sociopath.



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Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Sat 14-May-11 13:53:05
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Re: A taste of their own medicine.


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he was trying to prove his knowledge over a member of staff from my ISP, even if he was correct and the staff was wrong I still think it's a bit sad

Surely though, if the ISP's rep was wrong (is that not their job to know about this stuff) then to correct them is the least the informed poster could do ?

Standard User Guest_Again
(legend) Sat 14-May-11 14:29:15
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Add constructively to my thread or like I said before, start your own. wink .
I asked you a question to which you responded with insults, like a sociopath.
Totally unrelated, it sort of reminded me of a question that my Mum once asked me.

"Steven, why do you always a question with a question..?"

'I didn't realise that I did that - Why do you think I do that?'

One clip on the ear was the reply. Would you class that as an adequate response - That would've been my reply, but I thought better of that one. laugh

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Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sat 14-May-11 15:57:24
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"Steven, why do you always a question with a question..?"
Good question smile



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Standard User Guest_Again
(legend) Sat 14-May-11 16:34:17
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"Steven, why do you always a question with a question..?"
Good question smile
Are you sure about that, Bats?!

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Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sat 14-May-11 16:53:11
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"Steven, why do you always a question with a question..?"
Good question smile
Are you sure about that, Bats?!

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I always try to a question a question.



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Standard User Guest_Again
(legend) Sat 14-May-11 17:11:21
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Good question smile
Are you sure about that, Bats?!

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I always try to a question a question.
Are you sure you should?

Isn't that the best question? confused

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Standard User SPOOKish
(experienced) Sun 15-May-11 02:27:24
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In reply to a post by mrnelster:
Add constructively to my thread or like I said before, start your own. wink .
I asked you a question to which you responded with insults, like a sociopath.


Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."[1]

[1] Antisocial personality disorder - Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth edition Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR) American Psychiatric Association (2000) - pages 645650


Actually, to insult someone who shows a persistent disregard and violation of social norms is a wholly natural and reasonable reaction, I think. Wouldn't you agree?
Standard User mrnelster
(committed) Sun 15-May-11 08:34:00
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In reply to a post by BatBoy:
In reply to a post by mrnelster:
Add constructively to my thread or like I said before, start your own. wink .
I asked you a question to which you responded with insults, like a sociopath.


Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."[1]

[1] Antisocial personality disorder - Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth edition Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR) American Psychiatric Association (2000) - pages 645650


Actually, to insult someone who shows a persistent disregard and violation of social norms is a wholly natural and reasonable reaction, I think. Wouldn't you agree?

Thanks SPOOKish. If only this sociopath could have put it so eloquently! wink
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Standard User mrnelster
(committed) Sun 15-May-11 08:45:58
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So now you're back SPOOKish, what do you think about the anonymous thing? Have they shot themselves in the foot this time?

Although their actions will always grab headlines, could the Sony thing (whether entirely down to them or not) and their recent in-fighting have made them appear amateurish?

I think the type of actions they were carrying out with the Tunisian and Egyptian uprising would have gained them respect with the younger generation. I suspect this however would have alienated most and their own website incident makes them look like bickering adolescents.

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Standard User john2007
(legend) Sun 15-May-11 09:04:23
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Which Sony thing down to them? Are you talking about Sony not being competent enough to secure a web-site? Are you talking about the people who hacked into Sony capturing personal details? Are you talking about DDOS attacks against Sony in the past.

Only the latter is probably the fault of the collective called Anonymous.
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sun 15-May-11 10:17:04
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In reply to a post by BatBoy:
In reply to a post by mrnelster:
Add constructively to my thread or like I said before, start your own. wink .
I asked you a question to which you responded with insults, like a sociopath.
Actually, to insult someone who shows a persistent disregard and violation of social norms is a wholly natural and reasonable reaction, I think. Wouldn't you agree?
To respond to a simple question with only a stream of insults doesn't add anything to a discussion.



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Standard User mrnelster
(committed) Sun 15-May-11 11:31:10
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Which Sony thing down to them? Are you talking about Sony not being competent enough to secure a web-site? Are you talking about the people who hacked into Sony capturing personal details? Are you talking about DDOS attacks against Sony in the past.

Only the latter is probably the fault of the collective called Anonymous.


The latter obviously. That's what it says in the question. I did not ask if Sony deserved any medals. They quite obviously don't. What I am getting at is the fact that anonymous seem to have a higher opinion of themselves than millions of gamers do. And without a doubt, millions of gamers, myself included, had empathy with their cause.

I am not defending Sony, but I think that anonymous have done themselves nothing but harm. If you proclaim to protest from a social/political standpoint, there is always the risk of going to far. Remember the defacing of war memorials in London?

If we are to believe what is reported in the linked article (from what appears to be a very reputable source), then there appears to have been some sort of internal combustion, fuelled by that very belief.

You may well be correct that somebody else was responsible for the other attacks. But if you lay with wolves, then you have to expect to get bitten eventually, and if there are any more attacks, guess who will be getting the blame.
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Standard User mrnelster
(committed) Sun 15-May-11 11:43:24
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Neither does goading, baiting or trying to manipulate a discussion into an argument. The phrase used in the post was entirely apt, used humorously, and seemingly instantly understood by other posters who replied in a constructive manner.

Reading your posts all across these forums, your own "opening gambit" is regularly false naivety. You are far more perceptive when you want to be.
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(legend) Sun 15-May-11 12:09:43
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Neither does goading, baiting or trying to manipulate a discussion into an argument. The phrase used in the post was entirely apt, used humorously, and seemingly instantly understood by other posters who replied in a constructive manner.
In reply to a post by mrnelster:
Technically gifted, but socially inept. The word nerd springs to mind..
What do you mean?



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Standard User FireFalcon
(experienced) Sun 15-May-11 18:57:10
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Anonymous won't care, its just 1 website, anonymous is far more than just 1 site.

Whether it was anonymous or not sony got what they had coming to them.
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sun 15-May-11 18:58:46
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Anonymous denied involvement anyways. It may be different now tho.



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Standard User SPOOKish
(experienced) Sun 15-May-11 21:27:55
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Exactly so. Very well said.
Standard User SPOOKish
(experienced) Sun 15-May-11 21:47:52
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I don't think I'm as well informed as you and Falcon on the whole Anonymous issue. The latest internal spat does them no credit of course but that's always the way. Back when they went after the supposed enemies of Wikileaks I gave them credit for at least caring and having some political nous even if their approach was a little blunt.

It seems very bad play for Sony to blame Anonymous for having anything to do with their security breach when clearly it had been fundamentally flawed for some time and there was no real evidence the organisation had anything to do with it other than by coicidence (DDOS).

At least we can't say the kids are entirely apathetic these days even if they should be concentrating on getting laid and going to parties instead of spending all their time indoors on their 'puters banging away to the content on their screens. wink

To be honest, I don't really care about the whole episode too much. It's not the biggest thing that's happened I don't think. Though I would say I could afford to feel this way as I've never had a PSN account so my opinions don't really matter.
Standard User mrnelster
(committed) Sun 15-May-11 22:33:34
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Though I would say I could afford to feel this way as I've never had a PSN account so my opinions don't really matter.

On the contrary, all unbiased opinions matter, educated or not. And for someone who has never had a PSN account, yours seems particularly well balanced.

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