Well, at least the Australians have seen sense

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8498100.stm

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I watched a piece on Channel 4 News a few days ago where a similar action is pending against Talk Talk. A Talk Talk executive said they will not be handing over the personal details of their subscribers under any circumstances, and will take any attempt to force them to do this through the courts.

As I recall, there was a similar refusal by Tiscali here in the UK. Had the RIAA or whoever was pushing the case at the time had the balls to take it further, the outcome here in the UK may have been very different.

In reply to a post by zebedeee:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8498100.stm

Lets hope some of our ISPs also have the balls to stand up to industry bullies.

I agree with Judges ruling as I don't believe Unless there is some arrangement that can be made with the ISP's and the Media industry that they should be held responsible. As as per that piece the ISP's could be continuously bogged down in litigation which would not serve anyone bar perhaps the lawyers making a living.

I do believe though there are various mechjanism's that could be employed to stamp out to a greater extent copyright theft, but that is something considering it's nature that needs to be addressed by the media industry and the data transit bodies ie the ISP's. Until something that suits all is setup in that regard it'll always be a muddle. Perhaps the media industry could pay the large ISP's, especially if laws are passed to filter/block in this case media content or even have their own equipment where the ISP's servers reside. Either which way I don't think the ISP's should have a responsibility in policing specifically copyright infringement.

I don't agree with online piracy, but accusing people based on some dodgy recording of IP addresses just isn't on, and the legislation should be thrown out in the UK too.

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In reply to a post by zebedeee:

I don't agree with online piracy, but accusing people based on some dodgy recording of IP addresses just isn't on, and the legislation should be thrown out in the UK too.

Indeed why should an ISP be responsible....... If someone stabs somebody with a Stanley craft knife does the law go after the tool making company or the individual who used the knife in a nasty manner?

If the Music/Movie industry want to stop piracy and think they are the law, make them act like the law and find the file sharers there self, rather than bully a company selling nothing but access to data.

We better start taking legal action against firms that make cricket bats also, given news related things that happened not long ago.

Edited by CARPETBURN (Sat 06-Feb-10 17:17:22)

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In reply to a post by zebedeee:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8498100.stm

Lets hope some of our ISPs also have the balls to stand up to industry bullies.

my fear is that a court ruling here wouldnt be the same, it seems our system tends to rule in favour of vested interests and political interests.

the isp's are merely carriers of traffic. If they start storing/caching such content then the situation changes however simply carrying the traffic they should not be held responsible. I do disagree that these media companies paying money to filter the net since that opens up a whole can of worms, sky tv could then block virgin media content on sky broadband eg. VM pay BT some money and suddenly sky player stops working on BT broadband. ISP's should be providing unfiltered net neutral traffic.

The solution for pirated content over the internet is to make it not so attractive, reduce prices, remove regional marketing, remove copy protection on media and of course be more consumer friendly. Then after this if they feel a need then goto the courts (like everyone else has to) and get a warrant, seize the offenders equipment for proof and then get them banned from using the net. I dont have a problem with people been punished in a fair manner.

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... the isp's are merely carriers of traffic...

Exactly! Should my electricity provider be busted if I use lights etc to grow dope?