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Standard User StephenNSFOC
(newbie) Tue 01-Nov-11 01:42:13
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Is it common for ISPs to follow others?


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TalkTalk are LLUing my exchange tomorrow which i'm automatically being put on to. The problem is that i'm only expected to get about 8 of the 24mbs, which to me is far from satisfactory. Is it likely that because TalkTalk will be the fastest broadband available that it will encourage someone like BT or Virgin to install their Fibre products which could give me speeds that I want? I presume it would make no difference unless they lose a severe amount of customers to TalkTalk?
Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 01-Nov-11 02:12:40
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No.

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Standard User NilSatisOptimum
(member) Tue 01-Nov-11 07:28:26
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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 01-Nov-11 08:08:17
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Are you able to find your router stats? See here for help. If you can't, at least tell us what the connection speeds are now, those should be in the router GUI. Perhaps even the attenuation is there as well.

It would be odd for TT to be installing LLU kit with a top speed of 8Mbps, though I believe they do still have some in their early exchanges. Assuming they are putting 24Mbps in, then your router stats now will tell us more accurately than any estimate what you should get. Where has the estimate come from, your ISP? Which is it, and is it they who are going to limit you, not the equipment?

It may also be useful if you post the link to what samknows says about your exchange.

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Standard User epyon
(member) Tue 01-Nov-11 08:53:18
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I think he means he will get around 8Mbps once on ADSL2+

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 01-Nov-11 08:58:48
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Thats what I took it to mean too.

The TalkTalk network was ADSL2+ from its first install, just they used to cap the sync at 8Meg, later they removed the cap, thus those getting 7.9Meg saw no improvement at that time, and why some may think their exchange was not upgraded.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 01-Nov-11 09:54:01
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In reply to a post by epyon:
I think he means he will get around 8Mbps once on ADSL2+
Impossible to know what he may get, without the stats. As we all know, estimates from databases are extremely unreliable.

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ISP Representative TALKTALK_SUPPORT
(isp) Tue 01-Nov-11 15:00:26
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HI All,


This would depend on where the OP has got the infor that 8mg is the expected speeds. When LLU is aviaalbe TT will give an expected speed from our avaialbilty checker. This is based on initial line checks and is slightly lower than the actual projected speed to ensure we are managing customers expecations accurately.

If the Op posts their router stats we can see if the 8mb advised is accurate based on the line details. As Mr Saffron correctly advised LLU is ADSL2+ and in the intial stage this was capped to 8mb. Once caps were removed those who were in sync at less than 8mb saw no change (as they were already acheiving the fastest speed the line could handle), those who were syncing at 8mb found the cap removed and they could potentially sync at a higher rate.

In any case customers will get the fastest possible speed for his line upto 24mb once LLU is available as all LLU customers are now on 24mg BRAS profiles.


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Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Tue 01-Nov-11 15:56:21
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Mi Mark,
You guys (TalkTalk) seem to be investing/upgrading more exchanges than most of your competitors - which is nice to see! smile

Can you provide a link that shows which exchanges TT LLU are coming to soon?

Thanks.

Standard User StephenNSFOC
(newbie) Tue 01-Nov-11 16:12:26
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Downstream Upstream
Rate (Kbps): 6624 kbps 448 kbps

SNR Margin (dB): 7.0 19.0
Attenuation (dB): 42.0 20.0
Output Power (dBm): 20.0 12.0
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