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Standard User iand
(experienced) Fri 17-Aug-12 18:51:54
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whats this going to give me extra? I understand multi-cast. I am currently using SKY as a service and waiting for the FTTC to become order-able. What is reality can the multi cast service provide to me that I would not get already. Is this just and ISP bandwidth saving tool?

>>>>Furthermore your exchange is enabled for multi-cast services on copper lines and due to be enabled on fiber lines by 30th September 2012, please contact your provider for further details.<<<<<

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Standard User Toonshorty
(newbie) Fri 17-Aug-12 23:59:43
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It appears to be some kind of fibre based TV service.
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sat 18-Aug-12 02:45:44
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Streaming tv channels to isp tv boxes such as fx etc comming soon to bt vision


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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Sat 18-Aug-12 13:23:32
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Makes sense, BT paid a lot of money for Premier League TV rights so they'll probably be multicasting their content across fttc. Perhaps Youview will join in too.

Oliver.

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Standard User Andrue
(knowledge is power) Sun 19-Aug-12 10:00:26
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In reply to a post by iand:
Is this just and ISP bandwidth saving tool?
Basically, yes. But that's good for all of us. Broadcasting TV over the net without multicasting is a horrible waste of bandwidth. Without multicasting hundreds of thousands of identical data streams get sent across the country's network at the same time. Multicasting has the potential to vastly reduce that freeing up expensive bandwidth for other things or - more likely - helping reduce ISP costs which will hopefully filter through to our wallets smile

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Standard User ian72
(knowledge is power) Mon 20-Aug-12 09:08:14
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I suspect the multicast would only be within the ISPs network and primarily for ISP generated content (such as the BT vision and Sky streaming services).

I think BT can do this on some scale but only where they control the distribution. At any point outside of the BT network they will lose control and Multicast will stop.

Is anyone working on Multicast for the Internet? The number of routers involved I suspect would make this a very daunting challenge.
Standard User Andrue
(knowledge is power) Mon 20-Aug-12 09:46:54
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In reply to a post by ian72:
I suspect the multicast would only be within the ISPs network and primarily for ISP generated content (such as the BT vision and Sky streaming services).

I think BT can do this on some scale but only where they control the distribution. At any point outside of the BT network they will lose control and Multicast will stop.

Is anyone working on Multicast for the Internet? The number of routers involved I suspect would make this a very daunting challenge.
Multi-cast is part of the GEA specification and last I read it appeared to be available to anyone using FTTC. Sounds a little too sensible in my opinion but BT aren't complete idiots - they do have all the parts though smile

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 20-Aug-12 10:00:19
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To my mind there has to be some good effect on user pricing, and in many cases performance as well.

As the ISP drops it to the exchanges once, the user inevitably has lower throughput on the ISP's routers. No doubt the savings there will be party cancelled out by whatever and how the ISP is charged by OR for the service.

I haven't read up on the OR implementation. Does anyone know if the ISP drops once to OR, or once to each exchange that it chooses?

The performance will come down solely to that of the copper from the cabinet. No ISP congestion or backhaul congestion.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 20-Aug-12 10:33:57
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BT Vision, YouView et al are all candidates for using this.

As yet none of the IPTV services utilise the possibilities of FTTC/P, they still restrict themselves to 2 to 3 Mbps streams.

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Standard User blueacid
(committed) Mon 20-Aug-12 17:11:26
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Well, I wonder how long it might be before the cost to stream via multicast is lower than the costs to use a transmission network or satellite for broadcast television. Many Smart TV sets, decoder boxes and games consoles have ethernet or wireless built in, after all.. All the required kit is in place, just need the multicast service!
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