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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 06-May-13 18:02:38
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Daft question re IPv6


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If you have an IPv6 IP address, does that prevent you from accessing pure IPv4 websites? (Or even impure IPv4 websites tongue).

Do you currently need an IPv4 one as well, and if so how will that issue be resolved?

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Standard User awoodland
(regular) Mon 06-May-13 18:35:18
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Re: Daft question re IPv6


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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
If you have an IPv6 IP address, does that prevent you from accessing pure IPv4 websites? (Or even impure IPv4 websites tongue).


No, the "normal/default" situation for now is dual-stack. In that case your browser would first make a DNS query for an AAAA record. When no such record exists (as would be the case for an IPv4 only site) it will then try an A record query which will return a "normal" IPv4 result and the whole connection will proceed as if there was no IPv6.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Do you currently need an IPv4 one as well, and if so how will that issue be resolved?


Yes and no. For dual stack operation, which is where deployments are currently headed you need both an IPv4 and IPv6 address per interface. (Or multiple addresses more likely for IPv6).

Longer term NAT64 is likely to play a big part - one box plays the role of "translator" for lots of IPv6 only clients that want to talk to IPv4 only hosts.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 06-May-13 19:23:51
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Re: Daft question re IPv6


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The key is for move devices like games consoles to support ipv6

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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Mon 06-May-13 19:29:39
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Re: Daft question re IPv6


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Interesting point, XBox360 currently has no IPv6 support: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/network/hh994905....

Oliver.
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Mon 06-May-13 20:23:19
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Re: Daft question re IPv6


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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
If you have an IPv6 IP address, does that prevent you from accessing pure IPv4 websites?
It doesn't prevent you but it is of no use to access anything on IPv4 alone.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 06-May-13 21:53:45
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Re: Daft question re IPv6


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So really, you mean yes. If you only have an IPv6 address you can't access a website that doesn't. You have to have an IPv4 one as well, which is just silly.

That NAT64 and 464xlat looks as though it ought to be forced to be placed in front of IPv4-only web hosts. How? The mind boggles.

Thanks for the background and that link smile.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 06-May-13 21:56:59
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Re: Daft question re IPv6


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In reply to a post by yarwell:
In reply to a post by RobertoS:
If you have an IPv6 IP address, does that prevent you from accessing pure IPv4 websites?
It doesn't prevent you but it is of no use to access anything on IPv4 alone.
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To me that reads "It doesn't prevent you but yes it does prevent you". My question tried to specify a user with an IPv6 address and no IPv4 address, trying to access a website with an IPv4 one and no IPv6 one smile. (I'll edit it).

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Edited by RobertoS (Mon 06-May-13 21:58:40)

Standard User blueacid
(committed) Mon 06-May-13 23:01:04
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Re: Daft question re IPv6


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One supposes that dual-stack could be later twinned with carrier grade NAT on ipv4 to achieve this... It's one solution at least and might explain BT/Plusnet paying that idea attention.
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Mon 06-May-13 23:51:58
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Re: Daft question re IPv6


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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
To me that reads "It doesn't prevent you but yes it does prevent you".


well nothing in IPv6 prevents IPv4 working but equally IPv6 provides no IPv4 connectivity.

Owning a stick of chewing gum doesn't prevent you changing the wheel on a car, but it isn't helpful either wink

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 07-May-13 00:58:12
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Re: Daft question re IPv6


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I gather you didn't connect the final sentence of my OP to what preceded it smile.

Anyway the question is answered - the whole setup is a complete dog's breakfast, and likely to get worse. Madness!

Imagine removing all fuel injection systems from petrol-using car engines and modifying the engine management systems to control a carburettor!

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