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Standard User akwilliams
(learned) Tue 06-Aug-13 18:32:04
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Hey All,

A bit of advice if i may. My new (well new to me) house is undergoing a full renovation. The BT connection point in the hall is so old, i cant even find a picture of it on the net!!

What i want to do is move this box into a cupboard (about 3m run of cable) so its out of sight etc. I need to do it soon as i am having laminate flooring laid this weekend!

If i join the existing BT cable to the length of cable i intend to run, how much degradation can i expect?

When the house is habitable, i will get the line live and order broadband. I currently have a Fibre Optic cabinet about 75mtrs from where the current connection point is.

I know technically its a BT job, but its easy enough to do - i am more worried about the drop in broadband performance by creating a joint!

Cheers
Standard User Ribble
(experienced) Tue 06-Aug-13 19:11:45
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unless you make a complete pigs ear of it, there should be no noticeable difference.
Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 06-Aug-13 20:01:51
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Do it all to BT spec and nobody will know. This assumes you only have one socket!

1) if using external cabling

Buy the following if doing it all external

1) http://bit.ly/15LiJ53

2) You can cut the cable outside and then use this external box and jelly crimps to connect to the new cabling. The jelly crimps make the cable sealed.
http://bit.ly/1cGRHiP

3) If running the cable around the outside wall (which I advise) use this cabling
For 5m http://bit.ly/15Lhi6z
10m http://bit.ly/15LhmTU
20m http://bit.ly/15LhrqE

Bear in mind that BT do not run much internal cabling & if you use your own junctions cabling etc they will be aware it's not to BT spec.

Cut the external cabling outside
Use the external jelly crimps and the bt case
Extend the dropwire using the external cabling
Drill a hole on the wall where you want the master
Put the external cabling through the hole directly into the master on the other side of the wall.



If extending indoors never use the outdoor wiring. If it burns its toxic so isn't allowed indoors

Buy the following for indoors

1) http://bit.ly/15LiJ53

2) Indoor cabling
5m http://bit.ly/15LhF15
10m http://bit.ly/15LhLWi
20m http://bit.ly/15LhPp0

3) A junction box http://bit.ly/15Lihnh

Cut the external wiring where it comes into the property, so there's as little external wiring indoors as possible.
Connect this external wiring to the junction box screw terminals
Connect your new white internal wiring to the idc terminals of the junction box
Connect the white cabling other end to the master in cupboard

Easy enough smile All as good as BT would do.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Tue 06-Aug-13 20:06:22)


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Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 06-Aug-13 20:18:26
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In your position I would do the following though.
Assuming the phone lines not in use.
I would renovate. Cut the dropwire outside. Bin the internal phone lines and cabling.

I would then order a new line install. You can get this free with BT if you go into a contract, sky charge about £10.

As there's no sockets or wiring inside then BT would install a new master wherever you want it (as long as it's near an external wall). Then it's all done right. Just make sure you order a new line install.

If you are in contract already it could be costly so check! New customers get a new line install fairly cheap though.

If BT ask, the wire was already cut when you moved in. Bit naughty I know.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Tue 06-Aug-13 20:20:51)

Standard User akwilliams
(learned) Tue 06-Aug-13 21:19:34
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Many thanks chaps, Some great advice there.

I am like the idea pleading ignorance and cutting the drop wire outside the house.

The only problem i foresee is the existing phone line to my knowledge is still live - I can call the previous owners number and it rings - but there is no phone connected so only assuming its live.

If i was to cut it outside, call BT and say i would like a phone line and plead ignorance to one previously being there would i be liable for charges as they would know one is already at the property from their records?

Failing that i am more than happy to jelly bean the connection and bring it into the cupboard where i would like it situated.
Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 06-Aug-13 21:29:34
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The only problem i foresee is the existing phone line to my knowledge is still live - I can call the previous owners number and it rings - but there is no phone connected so only assuming its live.
You can still cut it, the voltage is only high when someones ringing the line.

If i was to cut it outside, call BT and say i would like a phone line and plead ignorance to one previously being there would i be liable for charges as they would know one is already at the property from their records?
If you get a new line install, it's normally £130, although if you sign up with BT they waiver the charge if you enter a contract with them for phone & Broadband. Likewise Sky will install a new line for £9 if you choose their phone and broadband. All you have to do is ring the ISP and say, I need to get a new line installed, the previous owners have cut the drop wire outside, I have no phone sockets inside. They will then get BT openreach out as part of the install who will provide the new socket where you want it, they should also be able to activate you phone and broadband on this date too.

You can even do it online.

If you go here http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/products/broad...
Hover over the 'connection included.' It says if you need a new line you wont pay a penny.

If you then click start your order, then select No, I don't have a working phone number and I'd like a new BT line
It will then check your line for a while.
It will then say 'Existing phone line at this address' if they think there's an existing line.
Select No - I want a new line installed at this address
If you have ordered a broadband and phone package the new line is free!

I've had numerous new line installs myself. I prefer to get a new line than using the old infrastructure, especially where there's no master socket or potential star wiring.

You wont get billed if you order a new line like this. They have no record of who did it previously.
It's the easiest and cheapest way to get everything up to date and get the master located where you want it. Costing you zilch.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Tue 06-Aug-13 21:31:36)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 06-Aug-13 21:46:29
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A new WLR line should be a lot less than £130 these days

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5651-openreach-an...

Andrew Ferguson, andrew@thinkbroadband.com
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User akwilliams
(learned) Tue 06-Aug-13 22:06:44
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Excellent. Ill go with cutting the old and order a full package of phone and Fibre BB in the coming weeks when all the renovations are done.

Cheers for the replies guys.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 07-Aug-13 00:36:49
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I don't like the sound of this at all.

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Standard User akwilliams
(learned) Wed 07-Aug-13 06:46:20
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what are your concerns mate?
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