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Standard User Spud2003
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 03-Nov-15 11:56:45
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Internet firms to be banned from unbreakable encryption


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Internet firms to be banned from offering unbreakable encryption under new laws

Internet and social media companies will be banned from putting customer communications beyond their own reach under new laws to be unveiled on Wednesday.

Companies such as Apple, Google and others will no longer be able to offer encryption so advanced that even they cannot decipher it when asked to, the Daily Telegraph can disclose.

Measures in the Investigatory Powers Bill will place in law a requirement on tech firms and service providers to be able to provide unencrypted communications to the police or spy agencies if requested through a warrant.

The move follows concerns that a growing number of encryption services are now completely inaccessible apart from to the users themselves.

It came as David Cameron, the Prime Minister, pleaded with the public and MPs to back his raft of new surveillance measures.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-...


The government can no more prevent strong encryption than it can ban mathematics, professional criminals aren't stupid and will avoid potential pitfalls. However these proposals will ensnare the average person ... tongue
Standard User Skilty
(member) Tue 03-Nov-15 12:26:34
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I suppose you could argue that if you have nothing to hide what does it matter.

But it would be like the wolf guarding the chicken coup, no thanks. The security services should be able to obtain a warrant if there are grounds that laws have been broken or to prevent terrorism but I do not trust a "provider" to be able to keep my "stuff" secure. TalkTalk is just one example but there are 100s more.

One of the oldest techniques is to save an email as draft as it never gets sent, multiple people have the login to review the email and save a draft reply. Nothing ever leaves the server. Combine that with a one time pad and you are snookered without any encryption whatsoever smile

The security services really are playing catch up here!

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 03-Nov-15 12:34:40
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So much spin, that have not covered in news this time around as waiting to be able to scan what is the actual stuff released on Wednesday.

Even if warrants are only ever served against 'bad people' the damage of weak encryption or concerns over potential backdoors may drive tech firms to look overseas rather than base themselves in the UK, and maybe not offer a service. It also may make UK tech firms a larger target for the criminal world as they will know there is a backdoor available either by compromising staff or systems.

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Standard User Spud2003
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 03-Nov-15 12:54:21
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The US went through something similar with the Clipper chip back in the 1990s. Americans get outraged pretty easily so Clipper failed, but the British are more prone to apathy so I can see the government proposals being more successful.
Standard User tommy45
(knowledge is power) Tue 03-Nov-15 12:54:45
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There is also this realistically unworkable rule about ISP's being required to store your web history for 12mths, What a load of bs

It's looking like tunnelling up or using proxies is the way to go, not because we have something to hide, but because our on line activities have FA to do with the government or ISP's as long as you ain't committing any crimes , we have a right to privacy So people had better wake up to this and protest very loudly

Edited by tommy45 (Tue 03-Nov-15 12:59:54)

Standard User AdrianPH
(regular) Tue 03-Nov-15 13:48:54
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It is just typical of the establishment we now have running the country, they are thick and clueless so they use a scatter gun approach to everything.

They are so dumb they want you to use weak encryption which means it is pointless using as anyone can buy the tools to break it.

Everyone is now guilty till proven innocent , shoot everyone and you will find a few doing something wrong.

This proposed law also allows HM Revenue and your local council the same access to your browsing history ...... it is nothing to do with terrorism or criminals it is a total invasion of privacy.

How do the American authorities manage? US ISP's , proxy and VPN services don't keep records, the Bill of Rights grants citizens the right of privacy.

Even the Russians have less intrusion and tracking than the UK.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 03-Nov-15 14:13:24
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United States

The National Security Agency (NSA) commonly records Internet metadata for the whole planet for up to a year in its MARINA database, where it is used for pattern-of-life analysis. U.S. persons are not exempt because metadata are not considered data under US law (section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act). Its equivalent for phone records is MAINWAY. The NSA records SMS and similar text messages worldwide through DISHFIRE.
Link.

The site doesn't give Russia, but I think your assertion is highly unlikely to be correct.

Edit: SORM in Russia.

This new Russian law doesn't look nice either.

The indispensable man or woman passes from the scene, and what happens next is more or less the same thing as was happening before.
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Standard User godsell4
(member) Tue 03-Nov-15 14:39:52
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Agreed about the apathy, but where it may succeed on paper, it will fail in reality.

Would it require UK.gov to create and define new encryption and key exchange standards to implement this? Err, guess how long that will take. +10 years maybe.

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Standard User johnjburness
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 03-Nov-15 14:43:17
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In reply to a post by Skilty:
you could argue that if you have nothing to hide what does it matter.

Many years ago, when I legally did not have a TV/License, a TV Licensing "Gentleman" tried to use that argument when he insisted that he wanted to search my house for an unlicensed TV & I asked him where his Search-Warrant was.

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John
Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 03-Nov-15 14:52:44
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In reply to a post by AdrianPH:
It is just typical of the establishment we now have running the country, they are thick and clueless
What's so special about 'now'? The establishment has always been thick and clueless..at least as far as us proles are concerned.

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