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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 22-Apr-17 10:08:55
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Re: VM Launches New Ultra fast Broadband


[re: JohnR] [link to this post]
 
Thanks for the link. Interesting copy ... wink tongue
Plus if you'd like a network of experts and like-minded people to learn from, vibe with and bounce off, you might want to join our VoomPioneers Club. There will be online and real world opportunities for all.
Sounds a bit like an old-fashioned business meeting well away from base to allow relaxed free-thinking and corporate bonding with colleagues.

(Sorry smile)

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Edited by RobertoS (Sat 22-Apr-17 10:18:09)

Standard User MHC
(sensei) Sat 22-Apr-17 10:42:23
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[re: MrSaffron] [link to this post]
 
Have a read of the press release and laugh! https://www.virginmediabusiness.co.uk/news-and-event...


350Mbps as standard – more than four times faster than the equivalent speeds offered by its rivals.


Four times an equivalent speed ... an equivalent to 350 is surely 350 so four times 350 = yes, according to VM, 350

and
“Today we are putting a huge challenge to the market to do better. Our standard speed is now more than four times faster than our competitors’ fastest broadband product


Which again is WRONG. FTTP and FTTPoD are both broadband products - he said nothing about widespread availablility, just BB products.

And then the VM product will not be "widely available". Their network runs straight past my location, the small access hole to provide it to my neighbour is in front of my drive, but my garden is too long to be able to provide service.


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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 22-Apr-17 11:08:39
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[re: MHC] [link to this post]
 
Talk about corporate-speak!

Geo-location added to pictures is one thing, but "The community will be a UK-wide network of seekers and providers of advice, where a geo-located platform will enable entrepreneurs to share, co-create and collaborate ...." quite another.

Hopefully they will be geo-stationary platforms wink, preferably ground-based not on satellites. "Geo-located" indeed frown!

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Sat 22-Apr-17 12:06:17
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[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:
FoD is basically a leased line


Last time I checked a leased line comes with a SLA (which a FoD service does not), its pricing does not drop to £49.99 pm after 3 years with a £500 pre-paid mastercard thrown in (which it does on Fod) and a 300 mbps leased line costs £1079 pm in my area whilst a 330mbps FoD service costs 'only' £300 pm. Perhaps maths wasn't your strongest subject at school?


Going by the inability to understand the word 'basically' or appreciate context I'm fairly sure English wasn't yours.

That said, I'll add the words 'with regards to install costs and conditions.' to the above phrase, it being a bespoke build serving a single premises only, triggered by an order rather than being built in advance and carrying a substantial install fee. I hope that's acceptable?

EDIT: Typo.

Edited by Ignitionnet (Sat 22-Apr-17 12:16:16)

Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Sat 22-Apr-17 12:11:14
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[re: MHC] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by MHC:
And then the VM product will not be "widely available". Their network runs straight past my location, the small access hole to provide it to my neighbour is in front of my drive, but my garden is too long to be able to provide service.


I'm reasonably sure the ASA won't consider whether MHC's house is serviceable the test for the phrase 'widely available'. They'll likely look at VM's national coverage, although going by the recent news articles that might not be too reliable either smile

It's all PR fluff though. This isn't the first and won't be the last PR release that's excruciating to read and factually, err, dubious.

I think whoever wrote the release had a bit too much 'Voom' in them at the time.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 22-Apr-17 12:48:48
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[re: Ignitionnet] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:
FoD is basically a leased line


Last time I checked a leased line comes with a SLA (which a FoD service does not), its pricing does not drop to £49.99 pm after 3 years with a £500 pre-paid mastercard thrown in (which it does on Fod) and a 300 mbps leased line costs £1079 pm in my area whilst a 330mbps FoD service costs 'only' £300 pm. Perhaps maths wasn't your strongest subject at school?


Going by the inability to understand the word 'basically' or appreciate context I'm fairly sure English wasn't yours.

That said, I'll add the words 'with regards to install costs and conditions.' to the above phrase, it being a bespoke build serving a single premises only, triggered by an order rather than being built in advance and carrying a substantial install fee. I hope that's acceptable?

EDIT: Typo.


No, you are still comparing apples to oranges. A leased line is a dedicated data line serving a property (ie your own line direct to the exchange) and as such has no contention hence why it costs £1000s per month with an appropriate SLA. A FoD service piggy backs onto the main Openreach fibre once it joins the ag splitter node and from thereon it shares the bandwidth with other users. The high install costs of FoD & high monthly charges for the first 3 years are purely down to paying off the costs Openreach incurred in bringing fibre to your front door.

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Edited by baby_frogmella (Sat 22-Apr-17 14:24:14)

Standard User WWWombat
(knowledge is power) Sat 22-Apr-17 14:00:17
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[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Given that you can buy entry-level leased lines where the access portion is GEA-FTTC, I think you are right to hold that the real distinction is indeed the lack of contention.

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
A FoD service piggy backs onto the main Openreach fibre once it joins the ag node and from thereon it shares the bandwidth with other users.


Careful with terminology...

A FoD service shares bandwidth with others when it joins at the splitter node, not the ag node.

The Ag node is where the shared PON fibre is then cross-connected (spliced) into the fibre spine cable.

At first, a FoD installation might indeed have you as the only user of a fibre all the way back to the head-end exchange. It starts out bespoke. But it isn't intended to stay that way.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 22-Apr-17 14:20:16
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[re: WWWombat] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by WWWombat:
Careful with terminology...

A FoD service shares bandwidth with others when it joins at the splitter node, not the ag node.

The Ag node is where the shared PON fibre is then cross-connected (spliced) into the fibre spine cable.

At first, a FoD installation might indeed have you as the only user of a fibre all the way back to the head-end exchange. It starts out bespoke. But it isn't intended to stay that way.


I stand corrected. But my original point remains valid: on a FTTP/oD service you are likely to share bandwidth with other users en route to the exchange - bespoke order or not. No such restriction on your own fibre direct to the exchange (leased line) but that is reflected on the price you pay.

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Standard User AndyHCZ
(experienced) Sat 22-Apr-17 16:32:16
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[re: MHC] [link to this post]
 
Leased lines are also widely available and in some cases, cheaper than FoD. I don't think it can be used as a comparison product in cases like this.

GEA-FTTP is fine as it's increasingly available and Openreach are specifically targeting business areas with deployment.
Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Sat 22-Apr-17 19:18:52
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[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Meh okay, fair enough, careless use of terminology, though no worse than those ISPs using GEA to supply 'leased lines', and a bunch of them have a guaranteed bandwidth allocation alongside a bunch of burst.

The key point still stands - the ASA aren't going to consider FoD in competition with free install, £66 a month broadband.
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