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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Fri 06-Oct-17 21:49:45
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Business Grant to get connected to faster broadband - advice


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Hi All - First post - I hope you are all well.

I run a business from a home office and have recently been approved for a grant to enable a better broadband connection to my premises. Currently, our exchange is fibre enabled, but we are at the end of the line so to speak and BT are not able to offer us a fibre connection - The best we get is their "faster" broadband package through which we get about 7mb down and 0.4mb up -
For our business, upload speeds are quite important - We send many large files every day to our suppliers for manufacturing purposes - plus we need to remotely access servers and use gotomypc etc - Also voip and video conferencing are needed.

The grant scheme is in the quotation stages, and we are being offered a wide variety of solutions and contract lengths, and it is very hard to know which one will be best for us -

Eg -

FTTP Leased line - All install costs paid (apparently - but not convinced) , and 3 years for about £80pm / 30mb up / down (clearly subsidised), plus other FTTP solutions for varying amounts of cost

Something similar to a bonded line - 4 lines which may give 30 down and about 5 up

Wireless BB - I have not seen the costs for this yet, but 30 down at least


I have no experience of any of these solutions, and my ideal would be for BT/Openreach to finish the job they started and get us connected to Fibre, but apparently that is not going to happen any time soon.

So - what to do -

If I went for the FTTP option - after the 3 years, the cost would rocket per month - but seeing as the infrastructure would be in place, could I ask BT to provide regular fibre broadband down that line after 3 years?
Any predictions on how leased line price may reduce over the next 3 years based on past history?

The "bonded" lines solution seems the most straight forward and cheap option - but how good could it be?

Wireless may be attractive, but it would be based on cost and data allowance..

Anyone wish to make a comment, please feel free

Cheers
Lordo

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 07-Oct-17 08:44:29
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When you say FTTP leased line, you mean proper leased line or Fibre on Demand FTTP?

Leased lines are usually symmetric so sounds like Fibre on Demand and at £80/m that is below the wholesale cost, and some providers have got their wires crossed on pricing and use the wrong price list to later correct themselves.

Bonded line is fine so long as the lines are stable and reliable, but if just 0.4 Mbps up from FTTC 4 x 0.4 is 1.6 Mbps only - so I'd be wary they are just using an estimate rather than real world.

Fixed Wireless if available would be a better bet than the bonding, but if the allowance is something you are going to exceed regularly could be a problem.

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Standard User ian007jen
(experienced) Sat 07-Oct-17 08:52:44
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Leased line

This would be the best option in my opinion, in 3 years time the leased line costs may have come down or your business may have grown and become more proffitable to pay the full (un subsidised) costs.

4 lines which may give 30 down and about 5 up

Don't see how 4 X 0.4 = 5, your on a 20CN exchange with upload speed of only 0.4 Mbps.

Wireless BB

Normally all about what backhaul the provider has purchased, in my area (Pembrokeshire) come 4 PM I have seen connections slow to a crawl.

Ian


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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 07-Oct-17 09:30:23
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Have you thought about satellite broadband, such as this company? AIUI the latency on that wouldn't worry you. That page is specific to Cornwall, but there are several others such as Avonline, which is national not just the southwest.

A possible list.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 07-Oct-17 09:48:46
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Remote access to servers can be a real pain over satellite connectivity, particularly if typing since the lag is visible

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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 09:50:15
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Thank you for the replies so far - With the grant scheme, the only options available to me are those which companies are willing to to bid on via the grant portal - So far, there has been no offer of satellite.
Also, the exact nature of the quotes received are not announced officially until the bidding period expires - which is soon

I agree also about the bonded line comments - (Though one of the companies offering something similar to the bonded service said their solution was not bonded, but something similar but better - I do not know the name of that service right now)

The wireless service looks a good option - the contention ratio for business broadband is low , so hopefully it will not choke at certain points of the day -

Re: FTTP - it is described as "dedicated fibre to the premises line" - But I do not know any more than that at this stage. Some of the funding is being used to reduce the monthly costs.

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(staff) Sat 07-Oct-17 09:51:23
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Can we all just double check one aspect....

The 7 Mbps is that actually ADSL or a very long VDSL2 line?

Reason is that the BT Faster broadband is a marketing stunt so they don't have slow VDSL2 customers on their Infinity range and keeps average speeds up for them. The service is still a part fibre.

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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 09:59:46
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Can we all just double check one aspect....

The 7 Mbps is that actually ADSL or a very long VDSL2 line?

Reason is that the BT Faster broadband is a marketing stunt so they don't have slow VDSL2 customers on their Infinity range and keeps average speeds up for them. The service is still a part fibre.


It is a very long VDSL2 line I believe - I used to have ADSL, and I was getting 11mb and 0.7mb through that, and when the exchage went live with fibre, there was no offer of super fast fibre, but when I phoned them, BT offered me the "faster" broadband service (up to 17mb down - but in reality nowhere near) which I signed up to - The results were disappointing - My router is set as a VDSL connection. So yes - I have a fibre connection, albeit one of the hidden from statistics ones.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 07-Oct-17 10:18:30
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Given ADSL speeds surely better to switch back? If BT cannot see and accept that this would be better for you then time to move to another provider, and as a business might be best to get that done via a second line and overlap services to avoid down time.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 07-Oct-17 10:35:50
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Maybe also adding resilience and bonding if they don't already have a second connection. Possibly then lower the FTTC to ADSLx at minimum period end if BT don't play ball.

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