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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 07-Oct-17 13:42:08
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Looking at long term costs, it might be cheaper to order the 'FTTP On Demand' product which would give you at least 330/30 Mbps. Of course it won't have the same SLA and speed guarantees as a leased line service but after 3 years, the costs of FTTPoD fall to 'native' FTTP levels. I believe Ceberus are selling FTTPoD for £165 pm (3 year min term) & of course installation costs which vary from £2k to £10k+ based on how far you are from the nearest agg node. Not sure if you will get a grant towards FTTPoD costs though.


Installation costs are not so much of a concern as the grant is quite generous - but the only products I will be able to choose from will be those which are quoted for by companies registered with the scheme who quote through the grant portal - So it is FTTP on Demand which I should be asking these people to quote on right? - When you say after 3 years, the costs fall to native FTTP levels, what would "native" costs be in the region of? - This sounds like the best option if I can get someone to quote on it.


I would ask Business ISPs FluidOne and Cerberus if they can also bid through the Grant portal. Do you get to decide the winning bidder or does the Grant authority decide? If the latter, i would make it clear to them you're only interested in FTTPoD services due to the long term cost savings.

To give you an idea of native FTTP charges for a business grade FTTP service:

https://www.zen.co.uk/smallerbusiness/superfast-fibr...

As you can see the native FTTP monthly costs are significantly cheaper than a leased line service.

Edit: Re-reading your post, you say you will choose from the bidding companies on the portal, so providing you receive an acceptable/competitive FTTPoD quote via your portal then that will probably be your best option.

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Edited by baby_frogmella (Sat 07-Oct-17 13:52:37)

Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 14:05:37
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Looking at long term costs, it might be cheaper to order the 'FTTP On Demand' product which would give you at least 330/30 Mbps. Of course it won't have the same SLA and speed guarantees as a leased line service but after 3 years, the costs of FTTPoD fall to 'native' FTTP levels. I believe Ceberus are selling FTTPoD for £165 pm (3 year min term) & of course installation costs which vary from £2k to £10k+ based on how far you are from the nearest agg node. Not sure if you will get a grant towards FTTPoD costs though.


Installation costs are not so much of a concern as the grant is quite generous - but the only products I will be able to choose from will be those which are quoted for by companies registered with the scheme who quote through the grant portal - So it is FTTP on Demand which I should be asking these people to quote on right? - When you say after 3 years, the costs fall to native FTTP levels, what would "native" costs be in the region of? - This sounds like the best option if I can get someone to quote on it.


I would ask Business ISPs FluidOne and Cerberus if they can also bid through the Grant portal. Do you get to decide the winning bidder or does the Grant authority decide? If the latter, i would make it clear to them you're only interested in FTTPoD services due to the long term cost savings.

To give you an idea of native FTTP charges for a business grade FTTP service:

https://www.zen.co.uk/smallerbusiness/superfast-fibr...

As you can see the native FTTP monthly costs are significantly cheaper than a leased line service.

Edit: Re-reading your post, you say you will choose from the bidding companies on the portal, so providing you receive an acceptable/competitive FTTPoD quote via your portal then that will probably be your best option.


Thank you very much for the very helpful information and replies - I have entered my details on the Cerberus website, and it shows that they are unable to provide Cerberus FTTP to my premises - Do you think that may be becuase they are out of area/don't have the latest information about our exchange, or just that FTTPoD is not actually available - If it is available, is there a way of finding which providers are able to sell it on my exchange?

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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 14:06:49
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Cerberus website said "FTTPoD is not currently available at addresses in this installation band"

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 07-Oct-17 14:13:07
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FTTPoD is a bespoke product, best to call Cerberus rather than rely on their online checker. Likewise with FluidOne.

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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 15:02:49
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FTTPoD is a bespoke product, best to call Cerberus rather than rely on their online checker. Likewise with FluidOne.


I checked back through my emails from the grant providers, and I found that FTTPoD is not available through the grant (they said also that if FTTPoD was available, it would invalidate my grant application) - so a bit of a dead end there. I will double check on Monday however.

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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 15:14:00
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Re: Business Grant to get connected to faster broadband - ad


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In reply to a post by Lordo:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
FTTPoD is a bespoke product, best to call Cerberus rather than rely on their online checker. Likewise with FluidOne.


I checked back through my emails from the grant providers, and I found that FTTPoD is not available through the grant (they said also that if FTTPoD was available, it would invalidate my grant application) - so a bit of a dead end there. I will double check on Monday however.


One of the providers who I thought was talking about a bonded solution was offering EoFTTC - What is this? and is it any good?

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 07-Oct-17 16:06:09
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Re: Business Grant to get connected to faster broadband - ad


[re: Lordo] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Lordo:
In reply to a post by Lordo:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
FTTPoD is a bespoke product, best to call Cerberus rather than rely on their online checker. Likewise with FluidOne.


I checked back through my emails from the grant providers, and I found that FTTPoD is not available through the grant (they said also that if FTTPoD was available, it would invalidate my grant application) - so a bit of a dead end there. I will double check on Monday however.


One of the providers who I thought was talking about a bonded solution was offering EoFTTC - What is this? and is it any good?


Ethernet Over FTTC (EoFTTC) is still dependent on your copper line distance to nearest FTTC cabinet so in your case won't really give you better speeds than bog standard FTTC. EoFTTC is mainly for those businesses who want guaranteed FTTC speeds 24/7 and it comes with an appropriate SLA - the service costs more than vanilla FTTC but significantly less than a leased line.

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Standard User bsdnazz
(learned) Sun 08-Oct-17 20:21:55
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On the preview quote, it said it would increase in price to just under £700pm for 30mb connection - but three years at £80 would be ok if I was to gamble on A - prices for leased lines coming down., or B - Openreach/BT getting round to upgrading our network to be able to receive fast fibre broadband..,. I could always look at other solutions after 3 years too -

Also, would this leased line be the same type of leased line that BT offer (BTnet Express @ £225pm)>?


Leased lines are expensive and prices have been and continue to be high. I can see £700pm being a reasonably long term price.
Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Mon 09-Oct-17 21:50:41
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Re: Business Grant to get connected to faster broadband - ad


[re: Lordo] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Lordo:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
FTTPoD is a bespoke product, best to call Cerberus rather than rely on their online checker. Likewise with FluidOne.


I checked back through my emails from the grant providers, and I found that FTTPoD is not available through the grant (they said also that if FTTPoD was available, it would invalidate my grant application) - so a bit of a dead end there. I will double check on Monday however.


OK - quick update - FTTPoD is an acceptable solution for the grant scheme, and the monthly price looks acceptable on a 3 year contract. So, to confirm, will the FTTPoD become a native FTTP connection after 3 years through which I can obtain cheaper contract rates? - Would it need to remain a business contract, or could a domestic contract be used (eg - Infinity 4) - What questions would you be asking the suppliers of these quotes?

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(staff) Mon 09-Oct-17 22:01:43
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After the three year contract price should reduce as the wholesale price element will change from FoD to GEA-FTTP price range, you also gain the ability to switch providers to any other provider selling GEA-FTTP at the various speed/price points available.

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