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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Fri 06-Oct-17 21:49:45
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Hi All - First post - I hope you are all well.

I run a business from a home office and have recently been approved for a grant to enable a better broadband connection to my premises. Currently, our exchange is fibre enabled, but we are at the end of the line so to speak and BT are not able to offer us a fibre connection - The best we get is their "faster" broadband package through which we get about 7mb down and 0.4mb up -
For our business, upload speeds are quite important - We send many large files every day to our suppliers for manufacturing purposes - plus we need to remotely access servers and use gotomypc etc - Also voip and video conferencing are needed.

The grant scheme is in the quotation stages, and we are being offered a wide variety of solutions and contract lengths, and it is very hard to know which one will be best for us -

Eg -

FTTP Leased line - All install costs paid (apparently - but not convinced) , and 3 years for about £80pm / 30mb up / down (clearly subsidised), plus other FTTP solutions for varying amounts of cost

Something similar to a bonded line - 4 lines which may give 30 down and about 5 up

Wireless BB - I have not seen the costs for this yet, but 30 down at least


I have no experience of any of these solutions, and my ideal would be for BT/Openreach to finish the job they started and get us connected to Fibre, but apparently that is not going to happen any time soon.

So - what to do -

If I went for the FTTP option - after the 3 years, the cost would rocket per month - but seeing as the infrastructure would be in place, could I ask BT to provide regular fibre broadband down that line after 3 years?
Any predictions on how leased line price may reduce over the next 3 years based on past history?

The "bonded" lines solution seems the most straight forward and cheap option - but how good could it be?

Wireless may be attractive, but it would be based on cost and data allowance..

Anyone wish to make a comment, please feel free

Cheers
Lordo

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 07-Oct-17 08:44:29
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When you say FTTP leased line, you mean proper leased line or Fibre on Demand FTTP?

Leased lines are usually symmetric so sounds like Fibre on Demand and at £80/m that is below the wholesale cost, and some providers have got their wires crossed on pricing and use the wrong price list to later correct themselves.

Bonded line is fine so long as the lines are stable and reliable, but if just 0.4 Mbps up from FTTC 4 x 0.4 is 1.6 Mbps only - so I'd be wary they are just using an estimate rather than real world.

Fixed Wireless if available would be a better bet than the bonding, but if the allowance is something you are going to exceed regularly could be a problem.

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Standard User ian007jen
(experienced) Sat 07-Oct-17 08:52:44
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Leased line

This would be the best option in my opinion, in 3 years time the leased line costs may have come down or your business may have grown and become more proffitable to pay the full (un subsidised) costs.

4 lines which may give 30 down and about 5 up

Don't see how 4 X 0.4 = 5, your on a 20CN exchange with upload speed of only 0.4 Mbps.

Wireless BB

Normally all about what backhaul the provider has purchased, in my area (Pembrokeshire) come 4 PM I have seen connections slow to a crawl.

Ian


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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 07-Oct-17 09:30:23
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Have you thought about satellite broadband, such as this company? AIUI the latency on that wouldn't worry you. That page is specific to Cornwall, but there are several others such as Avonline, which is national not just the southwest.

A possible list.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 07-Oct-17 09:48:46
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Remote access to servers can be a real pain over satellite connectivity, particularly if typing since the lag is visible

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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 09:50:15
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Thank you for the replies so far - With the grant scheme, the only options available to me are those which companies are willing to to bid on via the grant portal - So far, there has been no offer of satellite.
Also, the exact nature of the quotes received are not announced officially until the bidding period expires - which is soon

I agree also about the bonded line comments - (Though one of the companies offering something similar to the bonded service said their solution was not bonded, but something similar but better - I do not know the name of that service right now)

The wireless service looks a good option - the contention ratio for business broadband is low , so hopefully it will not choke at certain points of the day -

Re: FTTP - it is described as "dedicated fibre to the premises line" - But I do not know any more than that at this stage. Some of the funding is being used to reduce the monthly costs.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 07-Oct-17 09:51:23
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Can we all just double check one aspect....

The 7 Mbps is that actually ADSL or a very long VDSL2 line?

Reason is that the BT Faster broadband is a marketing stunt so they don't have slow VDSL2 customers on their Infinity range and keeps average speeds up for them. The service is still a part fibre.

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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 09:59:46
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Can we all just double check one aspect....

The 7 Mbps is that actually ADSL or a very long VDSL2 line?

Reason is that the BT Faster broadband is a marketing stunt so they don't have slow VDSL2 customers on their Infinity range and keeps average speeds up for them. The service is still a part fibre.


It is a very long VDSL2 line I believe - I used to have ADSL, and I was getting 11mb and 0.7mb through that, and when the exchage went live with fibre, there was no offer of super fast fibre, but when I phoned them, BT offered me the "faster" broadband service (up to 17mb down - but in reality nowhere near) which I signed up to - The results were disappointing - My router is set as a VDSL connection. So yes - I have a fibre connection, albeit one of the hidden from statistics ones.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 07-Oct-17 10:18:30
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Given ADSL speeds surely better to switch back? If BT cannot see and accept that this would be better for you then time to move to another provider, and as a business might be best to get that done via a second line and overlap services to avoid down time.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 07-Oct-17 10:35:50
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Maybe also adding resilience and bonding if they don't already have a second connection. Possibly then lower the FTTC to ADSLx at minimum period end if BT don't play ball.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 07-Oct-17 10:39:19
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What does this checker show for your VDSL Downstream Handback Threshold?

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Standard User bsdnazz
(learned) Sat 07-Oct-17 10:48:49
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Re: FTTP - it is described as "dedicated fibre to the premises line" - But I do not know any more than that at this stage. Some of the funding is being used to reduce the monthly costs.


This does sound like a standard fibre based leased line rather than FTTP Broadband. We have a couple of fibre leased lines at work each giving us 100/100Mb costing closed to £10,000 each year.

Three years grant scheme could well bring down the costs for a while but as you say the price then goes right up. Do you know what the price after 3 years is?
Standard User ukhardy07
(knowledge is power) Sat 07-Oct-17 10:56:39
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If you want to do it right, get a leased line. Very expensive though. £80 seems crazy low
Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 12:22:55
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What does this checker show for your VDSL Downstream Handback Threshold?


It shows this
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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 12:35:13
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Does anyone happen to have any historical information on leased line prices - eg - how they have fallen over the past 5 or 10 years?

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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 12:43:08
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In reply to a post by bsdnazz:
In reply to a post by Lordo:
Re: FTTP - it is described as "dedicated fibre to the premises line" - But I do not know any more than that at this stage. Some of the funding is being used to reduce the monthly costs.


This does sound like a standard fibre based leased line rather than FTTP Broadband. We have a couple of fibre leased lines at work each giving us 100/100Mb costing closed to £10,000 each year.

Three years grant scheme could well bring down the costs for a while but as you say the price then goes right up. Do you know what the price after 3 years is?


On the preview quote, it said it would increase in price to just under £700pm for 30mb connection - but three years at £80 would be ok if I was to gamble on A - prices for leased lines coming down., or B - Openreach/BT getting round to upgrading our network to be able to receive fast fibre broadband..,. I could always look at other solutions after 3 years too -

Also, would this leased line be the same type of leased line that BT offer (BTnet Express @ £225pm)>?

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 07-Oct-17 12:56:22
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Yes they have how much varies from area to area

But £80 per month sounds amazingly cheap, unless you happen to be in a city with a metro fibre network from CityFibre

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 07-Oct-17 13:00:15
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What does this checker show for your VDSL Downstream Handback Threshold?


It shows this
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Looking at long term costs, it might be cheaper to order the 'FTTP On Demand' product which would give you at least 330/30 Mbps. Of course it won't have the same SLA and speed guarantees as a leased line service but after 3 years, the costs of FTTPoD fall to 'native' FTTP levels. I believe Ceberus are selling FTTPoD for £165 pm (3 year min term) & of course installation costs which vary from £2k to £10k+ based on how far you are from the nearest agg node. Not sure if you will get a grant towards FTTPoD costs though.

FluidOne FTTP On Demand 330/30 Mbps
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Edited by baby_frogmella (Sat 07-Oct-17 13:02:25)

Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 13:21:33
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Yes they have how much varies from area to area

But £80 per month sounds amazingly cheap, unless you happen to be in a city with a metro fibre network from CityFibre


The £80pm is being quoted as some of the grant money is going towards reducing the monthly cost as well as the installation - The grant is quite substantial.

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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 13:25:55
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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by Lordo:
In reply to a post by RobertoS:
What does this checker show for your VDSL Downstream Handback Threshold?


It shows this
Speeds


Looking at long term costs, it might be cheaper to order the 'FTTP On Demand' product which would give you at least 330/30 Mbps. Of course it won't have the same SLA and speed guarantees as a leased line service but after 3 years, the costs of FTTPoD fall to 'native' FTTP levels. I believe Ceberus are selling FTTPoD for £165 pm (3 year min term) & of course installation costs which vary from £2k to £10k+ based on how far you are from the nearest agg node. Not sure if you will get a grant towards FTTPoD costs though.


Installation costs are not so much of a concern as the grant is quite generous - but the only products I will be able to choose from will be those which are quoted for by companies registered with the scheme who quote through the grant portal - So it is FTTP on Demand which I should be asking these people to quote on right? - When you say after 3 years, the costs fall to native FTTP levels, what would "native" costs be in the region of? - This sounds like the best option if I can get someone to quote on it.

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 07-Oct-17 13:42:08
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In reply to a post by Lordo:
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It shows this
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Looking at long term costs, it might be cheaper to order the 'FTTP On Demand' product which would give you at least 330/30 Mbps. Of course it won't have the same SLA and speed guarantees as a leased line service but after 3 years, the costs of FTTPoD fall to 'native' FTTP levels. I believe Ceberus are selling FTTPoD for £165 pm (3 year min term) & of course installation costs which vary from £2k to £10k+ based on how far you are from the nearest agg node. Not sure if you will get a grant towards FTTPoD costs though.


Installation costs are not so much of a concern as the grant is quite generous - but the only products I will be able to choose from will be those which are quoted for by companies registered with the scheme who quote through the grant portal - So it is FTTP on Demand which I should be asking these people to quote on right? - When you say after 3 years, the costs fall to native FTTP levels, what would "native" costs be in the region of? - This sounds like the best option if I can get someone to quote on it.


I would ask Business ISPs FluidOne and Cerberus if they can also bid through the Grant portal. Do you get to decide the winning bidder or does the Grant authority decide? If the latter, i would make it clear to them you're only interested in FTTPoD services due to the long term cost savings.

To give you an idea of native FTTP charges for a business grade FTTP service:

https://www.zen.co.uk/smallerbusiness/superfast-fibr...

As you can see the native FTTP monthly costs are significantly cheaper than a leased line service.

Edit: Re-reading your post, you say you will choose from the bidding companies on the portal, so providing you receive an acceptable/competitive FTTPoD quote via your portal then that will probably be your best option.

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Edited by baby_frogmella (Sat 07-Oct-17 13:52:37)

Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 14:05:37
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Looking at long term costs, it might be cheaper to order the 'FTTP On Demand' product which would give you at least 330/30 Mbps. Of course it won't have the same SLA and speed guarantees as a leased line service but after 3 years, the costs of FTTPoD fall to 'native' FTTP levels. I believe Ceberus are selling FTTPoD for £165 pm (3 year min term) & of course installation costs which vary from £2k to £10k+ based on how far you are from the nearest agg node. Not sure if you will get a grant towards FTTPoD costs though.


Installation costs are not so much of a concern as the grant is quite generous - but the only products I will be able to choose from will be those which are quoted for by companies registered with the scheme who quote through the grant portal - So it is FTTP on Demand which I should be asking these people to quote on right? - When you say after 3 years, the costs fall to native FTTP levels, what would "native" costs be in the region of? - This sounds like the best option if I can get someone to quote on it.


I would ask Business ISPs FluidOne and Cerberus if they can also bid through the Grant portal. Do you get to decide the winning bidder or does the Grant authority decide? If the latter, i would make it clear to them you're only interested in FTTPoD services due to the long term cost savings.

To give you an idea of native FTTP charges for a business grade FTTP service:

https://www.zen.co.uk/smallerbusiness/superfast-fibr...

As you can see the native FTTP monthly costs are significantly cheaper than a leased line service.

Edit: Re-reading your post, you say you will choose from the bidding companies on the portal, so providing you receive an acceptable/competitive FTTPoD quote via your portal then that will probably be your best option.


Thank you very much for the very helpful information and replies - I have entered my details on the Cerberus website, and it shows that they are unable to provide Cerberus FTTP to my premises - Do you think that may be becuase they are out of area/don't have the latest information about our exchange, or just that FTTPoD is not actually available - If it is available, is there a way of finding which providers are able to sell it on my exchange?

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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 14:06:49
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Cerberus website said "FTTPoD is not currently available at addresses in this installation band"

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 07-Oct-17 14:13:07
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FTTPoD is a bespoke product, best to call Cerberus rather than rely on their online checker. Likewise with FluidOne.

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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 15:02:49
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FTTPoD is a bespoke product, best to call Cerberus rather than rely on their online checker. Likewise with FluidOne.


I checked back through my emails from the grant providers, and I found that FTTPoD is not available through the grant (they said also that if FTTPoD was available, it would invalidate my grant application) - so a bit of a dead end there. I will double check on Monday however.

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Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Sat 07-Oct-17 15:14:00
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FTTPoD is a bespoke product, best to call Cerberus rather than rely on their online checker. Likewise with FluidOne.


I checked back through my emails from the grant providers, and I found that FTTPoD is not available through the grant (they said also that if FTTPoD was available, it would invalidate my grant application) - so a bit of a dead end there. I will double check on Monday however.


One of the providers who I thought was talking about a bonded solution was offering EoFTTC - What is this? and is it any good?

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 07-Oct-17 16:06:09
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In reply to a post by Lordo:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
FTTPoD is a bespoke product, best to call Cerberus rather than rely on their online checker. Likewise with FluidOne.


I checked back through my emails from the grant providers, and I found that FTTPoD is not available through the grant (they said also that if FTTPoD was available, it would invalidate my grant application) - so a bit of a dead end there. I will double check on Monday however.


One of the providers who I thought was talking about a bonded solution was offering EoFTTC - What is this? and is it any good?


Ethernet Over FTTC (EoFTTC) is still dependent on your copper line distance to nearest FTTC cabinet so in your case won't really give you better speeds than bog standard FTTC. EoFTTC is mainly for those businesses who want guaranteed FTTC speeds 24/7 and it comes with an appropriate SLA - the service costs more than vanilla FTTC but significantly less than a leased line.

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Standard User bsdnazz
(learned) Sun 08-Oct-17 20:21:55
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On the preview quote, it said it would increase in price to just under £700pm for 30mb connection - but three years at £80 would be ok if I was to gamble on A - prices for leased lines coming down., or B - Openreach/BT getting round to upgrading our network to be able to receive fast fibre broadband..,. I could always look at other solutions after 3 years too -

Also, would this leased line be the same type of leased line that BT offer (BTnet Express @ £225pm)>?


Leased lines are expensive and prices have been and continue to be high. I can see £700pm being a reasonably long term price.
Standard User Lordo
(newbie) Mon 09-Oct-17 21:50:41
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FTTPoD is a bespoke product, best to call Cerberus rather than rely on their online checker. Likewise with FluidOne.


I checked back through my emails from the grant providers, and I found that FTTPoD is not available through the grant (they said also that if FTTPoD was available, it would invalidate my grant application) - so a bit of a dead end there. I will double check on Monday however.


OK - quick update - FTTPoD is an acceptable solution for the grant scheme, and the monthly price looks acceptable on a 3 year contract. So, to confirm, will the FTTPoD become a native FTTP connection after 3 years through which I can obtain cheaper contract rates? - Would it need to remain a business contract, or could a domestic contract be used (eg - Infinity 4) - What questions would you be asking the suppliers of these quotes?

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After the three year contract price should reduce as the wholesale price element will change from FoD to GEA-FTTP price range, you also gain the ability to switch providers to any other provider selling GEA-FTTP at the various speed/price points available.

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 09-Oct-17 22:07:11
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OK - quick update - FTTPoD is an acceptable solution for the grant scheme, and the monthly price looks acceptable on a 3 year contract. So, to confirm, will the FTTPoD become a native FTTP connection after 3 years through which I can obtain cheaper contract rates? - Would it need to remain a business contract, or could a domestic contract be used (eg - Infinity 4) - What questions would you be asking the suppliers of these quotes?


That's very good news. Correct, once you've completed your 3 year minimum term on FTTPoD you can move to any native FTTP product - business or residential offering. Alternatively you can stay with the same FTTPoD provider but move to a native FTTP product at lower cost.

If going with Cerberus, I would double check if they have any Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) wrt data limits. According to some posters on here Cerberus were saying they had an AUP of 750gb per month...which they later denied. However no such policy with Fluidone, though their monthly prices are nearly double.

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Edited by baby_frogmella (Mon 09-Oct-17 22:09:18)

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