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Standard User BestofTimes
(newbie) Wed 08-Nov-17 15:26:39
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Those attenuation figures are almost certainly the modem's maxed out value and your real levels will be greater than those - some modems do show figures into the 80s for downstream but a lot stop at 63.5/31.5

As your margin is 14.2 then there is a possibility that the source has gone and you may slowly climb back to your original speed and 6dB margin. The BT Tech may not be able to find a REIN problem if is is stable at 14.2

Given you have a long line, what modem/hub are you using? Some are better on longer lines than others and can give just a little more speed..


Having had a call from OR this morning, they think that the source is recurring at approximately daily intervals albeit at inconsistent times. Given that they now have over 20 fault reports having the same characteristics from the 25 houses here they are running a full investigation. Possibilities include the farms between us and the exchange; a small sewage treatment plant about 200 m away albeit in the opposite direction to the line route or other Unknown.

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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Wed 08-Nov-17 15:41:46
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Anything that you can do to assist the BT Tech will go down well - make sure to offer him/her a tea/coffee too.

The sewage treatment plant may well have monitoring equipment and a line, that could then go back through a cabinet in your hamlet and if the noise is very high, then pick up on your lines at than point is quite possible. If, as you say, random times, it may tie in with something of that sort - pumps run only when a tank is full and thus random.


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Standard User BestofTimes
(newbie) Wed 08-Nov-17 15:42:31
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You don't need a direct line - you could for example run four sides of a hexagon to skirt round a hill. They don't need masts - just the corner of a barn, house, water tower or grain silo. And those owners would get the benefits by tapping off as it went through their land ...


Agreed in terms of physical layout, but the difficulty is compunded by the presence of forestry plantations which would probably require long work rounds. Having spent the majority of my career as a surveyor I need to dig out some of my old kit perhaps.

The 2 principal difficulties are planning. The area is subject to what in Planning terms is called an Article 4 Direction which removes permitted development rights including dishes so each installation would require individual planning consent. Which would be refused as being contrary to the published planning policies.for the are. ("Intrusion to visual amenity")

The second difficulty is the intransigence of the Northumbrian Estate owner. Most of the farms are tenants not freehold and the ability to grant extra agreements is reserved to the estate owner, not the tenant. One of the reasons for the very poor mobile coverage here is that the largest estate owner doesn't like masts, dishes and towers. He therefore refuses to consider installations on his land. Either from the mobile comms companies or individuals.

Martin


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Standard User BestofTimes
(newbie) Wed 08-Nov-17 15:47:41
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Anything that you can do to assist the BT Tech will go down well - make sure to offer him/her a tea/coffee too.

The sewage treatment plant may well have monitoring equipment and a line, that could then go back through a cabinet in your hamlet and if the noise is very high, then pick up on your lines at than point is quite possible. If, as you say, random times, it may tie in with something of that sort - pumps run only when a tank is full and thus random.


Team and coffee plus the odd biscuit on tap.....

There are no cabinets of any sort here, all lines are EO back to Capheaton exchange, apart from the people at Capheaton, who have been provided with an FTTC service from the shiny new cabinet outside the exchange. The last time I looked, there were only 127 premises served by the exchange anyway.

Martin
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Wed 08-Nov-17 16:06:39
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The second difficulty is the intransigence of the Northumbrian Estate owner. Most of the farms are tenants not freehold and the ability to grant extra agreements is reserved to the estate owner, not the tenant.


An interesting comment. The owner is very likely to be a member of the Country Landowners Association - and they really are pushing to get High(er) speed connectivity to the remote estates.

As for dishes - they can be hidden and if a council is refusing to allow fast broadband access then they need to be named and shamed. What would happen if you decided to go down te satellite route with a 1.2m dish? I assume they would say no.


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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Wed 08-Nov-17 16:08:05
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Cabinet may be the wrong word - perhaps a joint box potentially underground where small bundles of lines are aggregated into a larger 50 or 100 pair cable.


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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 08-Nov-17 17:02:23
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Has anyone tried hunting for spurious noise patterns using an AM radio?

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 08-Nov-17 17:06:46
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To add exchange looks to be IPStream Max only, so any flapping in speeds gets crippled further by the IP Profile system which is real pain on the ADSL only services.

Looking at a few random postcodes outside the existing FTTP area, seems lots more are due FTTP, so fingers crossed that roll-out won't be too far away, maybe some begging may see you moved up the list if the issues cannot be quickly resolved.

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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Wed 08-Nov-17 17:11:11
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Zarjaz has suggested it too ...


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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 08-Nov-17 17:35:43
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As MHC says, a ‘noisy’ pump starting when the full level reaches a certain point. Had one of these doing exactly that in Lower Earley near Reading.... long lines like yours, and a whole estate affected.

It took them a while to get the pump replaced. You could monitor lines, no errors, no nuttin’ then around every 15 mins or so you’d get thousands, dome of the closer properties even dropping sync.

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