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Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 01-Jan-19 19:32:29
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Re: Openreach monopoly and length of time to repair services


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,bt never had to find the funds to develop the network themselves,it was already there and paid for
BT through its shareholders paid for the network when they bought the company from the Government. Not only that they paid for all of it over a few months rather than 70 or 80 years or whatever when the company was owned by the government.

why haven't they replaced all of the old(victorian)infrastructure?
BT has spent billions since it was floated on updating and expanding its network. If anything it has been hindered here by the government, OFTEL and OFCOM in that for the time being BT is required to maintain its copper network rather than move faster towards a full fibre network. Naturally, given that BT is not a charity but answerable to its shareholders, it invests the bulk of its funds in areas where it has some expectation of seeing a return on its investment.

I would suggest that those who feel that BT has passed them by, be they living in the most rural of areas or in a city centre, look to the like of B4RN, put their hands in their pockets and do something about it for themselves. Incidentally I live south of the river in central London and together with 74 neighbours gap funded the installation of an AIO cabinet at a cost of c£19K. Others both rural and urban have done similarly as are all those paying for an FTTPod connection.

so is that what this boils down to?you paid for a service so everybody else who wants a good service should also pay?
Yes, it's called 'living in the real world'. And you're exaggerating - there are many millions of people served by BT who are (or were initially at least) being subsidised by more profitable areas. The idea of a utopia where everything is free and people can just wave a magic wand and have anything their heart desires is silly and unrealistic. There has to come a point where providers are allowed to just hold their hand up and either stop or (as will soon the be the case for BT) get additional costs paid for by the customer.

Upgrading the UK's telephone network is a big and expensive project. It isn't reasonable to expect one company to cover every last hen house, chicken house and out house for the same price.

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Standard User JohnR
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 01-Jan-19 21:49:05
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Upgrading the UK's telephone network is a big and expensive project. It isn't reasonable to expect one company to cover every last hen house, chicken house and out house for the same price.


But everyone expects BT to do this, while saying it's OK for other co's to cherry pick the profitable area's.

Maybe not the best idea. But there is some merit in core systems being public owned & run and then companies pay to access it and sell on.

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Standard User GonePostal
(member) Wed 02-Jan-19 01:11:56
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Re: Openreach monopoly and length of time to repair services


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But there is some merit in core systems being public owned & run and then companies pay to access it and sell on.


Like the railway, then?


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Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 02-Jan-19 07:48:40
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Re: Openreach monopoly and length of time to repair services


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Upgrading the UK's telephone network is a big and expensive project. It isn't reasonable to expect one company to cover every last hen house, chicken house and out house for the same price.


But everyone expects BT to do this, while saying it's OK for other co's to cherry pick the profitable area's.

Maybe not the best idea. But there is some merit in core systems being public owned & run and then companies pay to access it and sell on.
Some merit, yes. But only if (and it's a big if) they can operate them well. The UK's track record on public ownership of the telephone network is not good. Admittedly that was a government of over 35 years ago but it should still serve as a warning. I'd also make the general observation that governments are not renowned for being good at organising large projects. They are usually over budget and late to complete. I'd also personally wonder what it is any government has done in the past fifty years that encourages anyone to see them as the solution to any problem.

Given their stance on security and the introduction of 'The Snooper's Charter' and censorship in the name of 'protecting the children' I'd also wonder if it's wise to give them even more control over the national data infrastructure. Oh and since this discussion started with a complaint about monopolies we should of course ask if government control (which would guarantee a monopoly) is an appropriate solution.

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Standard User sheephouse
(member) Wed 02-Jan-19 09:57:20
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Rather than the railways, a better example of how it could be done is probably the National Grid for electricity distribution.
Standard User burble
(member) Wed 02-Jan-19 10:33:45
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Rather than the railways, a better example of how it could be done is probably the National Grid for electricity distribution.

For the past month or so I've been piggy in the middle between UKPowernetworks and EON, over an upgrade of the supply to our workshops, thank god it doesn't also involve National Grid.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 02-Jan-19 11:57:58
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I have more power outages each year than broadband ones

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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Fri 04-Jan-19 15:32:18
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Broadband did not become available until after we'd move to the house. Some people forget that not everybody lives in town or city or moves every few years.
My choice is limited because there is only the monopoly provider and no one else wants to serve the area.


That may be, but you do have a choice of retail providers which has been pointed to you can and does affect the 1 day or 2 day part of the contract, you chose a provider who cut corners in this respect, you probably chose them because they were one of the cheaper options. Also openreach work sundays, but I dont know the specifics of how one gets a callout on a sunday.

Things are not as rosy for openreach as may seem, they provide service to parts of the country others wont touch with a bargepole because those areas might be loss making, also they are heavily regulated by ofcom.

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Standard User sheephouse
(member) Fri 04-Jan-19 16:16:10
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Maybe, but at least everyone has electricity, and it is all to the same specification. If electricity was distributed in the same way as broadband some of us would still be using oil lamps.
Standard User dect
(learned) Fri 04-Jan-19 16:30:20
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BT was floated in 1991.

It was originally floated in 1984 (approx. 50% of shares were sold and 50% retained) and government then sold its remaining shares in 1991
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