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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 06-Jun-17 20:55:12
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Pins on board or CPU?


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i was having a chat with someone earlier and said i have updated to the Ryzen CPU and they was saying they prefer Intel, but i told them that AMD really seemed to have got things together as this chip is fantastic. Then they said but AMD have pin on the chip, while intel have them on the socket. they could not give me a reason why Intel system is better, just that it is.

In my opinion it makes no difference, I found the ryzen chip as easy to install as I found Intel, you have to be more careful with a Ryzen chip so you do not bend the pins, but once the chip is installed that is it.

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Standard User DG834MAN
(member) Mon 12-Jun-17 13:32:38
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Re: Pins on board or CPU?


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Pretty much answered your own question, but can you post an amd chip in the mail just wrapped in anti static in a jiffy bag, the last chip i bought came like this crazy, its more likely you are going to damage the pins on a chip handling it than bending the pins in a socket in my opinion, there are rumors amd will switch to lga soon
Standard User Alnath
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 12-Jun-17 15:31:19
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When i was changing the cooler on my Ryzen 5 1600 the AMD Wraith was absolutely stuck on like a good'un to the point that it actually ripped the processor out of the socket i had to pull it that hard. At that point i wished it didn't have pins for fear of damage, however it seems ok.


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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 12-Jun-17 17:12:54
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In reply to a post by DG834MAN:
Pretty much answered your own question, but can you post an amd chip in the mail just wrapped in anti static in a jiffy bag, the last chip i bought came like this crazy, its more likely you are going to damage the pins on a chip handling it than bending the pins in a socket in my opinion, there are rumors amd will switch to lga soon


some people are silly when they send products, I work for a supermarket and we have stuff sent in from people who sell on ebay for customers to pick yup and some of the packing is pathetic.

I think they are going to use LGA on their threadripper or what ever it is going to be called. but that is a large chip.

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 12-Jun-17 17:14:43
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In reply to a post by Alnath:
When i was changing the cooler on my Ryzen 5 1600 the AMD Wraith was absolutely stuck on like a good'un to the point that it actually ripped the processor out of the socket i had to pull it that hard. At that point i wished it didn't have pins for fear of damage, however it seems ok.


Turn the machine on for a bit so the CPU is warm, the heatsink should separate then with no problem. I have never had that happen thankfully.
I am not planning to replace the cooler, it seems to be fine even at high loads it is still pretty quiet.

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Standard User Alnath
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 13-Jun-17 10:34:13
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In reply to a post by zyborg47:
In reply to a post by Alnath:
When i was changing the cooler on my Ryzen 5 1600 the AMD Wraith was absolutely stuck on like a good'un to the point that it actually ripped the processor out of the socket i had to pull it that hard. At that point i wished it didn't have pins for fear of damage, however it seems ok.


Turn the machine on for a bit so the CPU is warm, the heatsink should separate then with no problem. I have never had that happen thankfully.
I am not planning to replace the cooler, it seems to be fine even at high loads it is still pretty quiet.


I'd only just turned it off mate, it would appear AMD use the new Gorilla Glue Gooptastic Silveramic 5. I have changed many processor coolers in my time and that's the first time i have had that happen.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 13-Jun-17 10:58:31
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Maybe the heat of the system running with the old heatsink had welded it in place smile
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 13-Jun-17 15:36:56
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I'd only just turned it off mate, it would appear AMD use the new Gorilla Glue Gooptastic Silveramic 5. I have changed many processor coolers in my time and that's the first time i have had that happen.


Wow, if i ever did decide to change my heatsink, I hope it do not happen to me

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Standard User sergiup
(newbie) Wed 14-Jun-17 10:14:19
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If you look at an LGA socket (which is what Intel uses) you'll see that the pins are bent into a spring shape. Personally I think this is actually a bit more resilient - as long as the CPU contacts are clean and aligned properly, it's easy and relatively safe to get a proper install, provided you don't go poking around the socket itself.

AMD's way may arguably make for more solid connections between each CPU pin and the socket as the socket "tightens" onto the pins, but you do have the added risk of bending the CPU pins if you're not careful.

Honestly it should make little to no difference - very few people swap CPUs more than once every few years at most, and if you're not confident enough to do it then you should be asking someone who is to assist anyway.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 14-Jun-17 10:23:10
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In the good old days (eg 486 CPUs) it was a matter of applying significant force to the processor to push it into the socket (enough to bend the motherboard). To remove them you had a special metal tool that you put in around the edges to prise the processor upwards - it was very easy to bend pins if you didn't use the tool evenly around all sides. Modern processors are a piece of cake compared to that (unless of course you buy most Apple kit in which case the processors are actually part of the motherboard and require somewhat more specialist skills and technology to replace them).
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 14-Jun-17 17:55:59
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Yes, i know what Intel sockets look like, while i do not like Intel, i have built a few machines for different people using Intel chips.
As you said, you have to be careful with AMD chips as it is so easy to bend the pins, but then I know of someone who dropped a heatsink onto a Intel board and bent the pins on the board, so it was a new board time.

As you most people change their CPU every few years, I expect this CPU of mine will stay put for a good 5 years or more.

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 14-Jun-17 17:57:09
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In the good old days (eg 486 CPUs) it was a matter of applying significant force to the processor to push it into the socket (enough to bend the motherboard). To remove them you had a special metal tool that you put in around the edges to prise the processor upwards - it was very easy to bend pins if you didn't use the tool evenly around all sides. Modern processors are a piece of cake compared to that (unless of course you buy most Apple kit in which case the processors are actually part of the motherboard and require somewhat more specialist skills and technology to replace them).


Yes, while i never did that with a PC, I did do it with an amiga as a mate and i updated an 4000 from an 030 to an 040.

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