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Standard User shadders139
(newbie) Sun 08-Nov-15 14:58:00
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Hyperoptic and Piracy?


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Hi,

I'm thinking of switching to Hyperoptic. I'm an avid downloader of movie and tv torrents and was wondering whether Hyperoptic cracks down on piracy? I'm currently with Sky, and they've never had a problem with my torrenting habits, and neither have any other ISP i've ever been on. But I was wondering whether hyperoptic, being a smaller provider (and one that must be aware that their super high speeds will be attractive to pirates), does anything to crack down on it, or uses 'traffic management'?

Any help would be appreciated, especially from hyperoptic users who have experience of this. Thanks!
Standard User mikehiow
(committed) Sun 08-Nov-15 15:33:48
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Re: Hyperoptic and Piracy?


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I don't know the answer to that question, but if I were to download questionable material, I'd definitely use Usenet via SSL whether my ISP had issues with torrent users or not.

RIP FTTC, Hello Sky 10/1 frown
Standard User kijoma
(committed) Sun 08-Nov-15 18:33:05
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Sky might change their mind if customers go admitting their crimes on public forums though laugh

Remarkable how this seems the only industry where people claim a right to infringe copyright publicly as if it is ok.

Then later will be the first to complain when .Gov gets all heavy handed and censors/filters and monitors the internet.

It is no different to shops fitting CCTV to catch regular thieves. If they didn't steal stuff, CCTV wouldn't be needed.


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Kijoma Broadband
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Standard User AAuser27
(member) Sun 08-Nov-15 20:41:01
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Re: Hyperoptic and Piracy?


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In reply to a post by kijoma:
Sky might change their mind if customers go admitting their crimes on public forums though laugh

Remarkable how this seems the only industry where people claim a right to infringe copyright publicly as if it is ok.


Dude, you charge people £96 a month for 100GB. This industry needs to look at that also. Remarkable his this seem the only industry where ISP's can charge ridiculous amounts and get away with it. A crime of other sorts.

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Edited by AAuser27 (Sun 08-Nov-15 20:41:25)

Standard User BatBoy
(sensei) Sun 08-Nov-15 20:59:57
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Low bandwidth ISP's use the copyright=theft argument to justify throttling.
Standard User blueacid
(committed) Sat 21-Nov-15 13:20:42
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I suppose with any ISP (not just Hyperoptic) you could investigate using a VPN in the event of receiving... terse correspondance concerning your usage.

Saying that, Usenet is rather good on Hyperoptic smile
Standard User tommy45
(knowledge is power) Sat 21-Nov-15 14:40:20
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In reply to a post by kijoma:
Then later will be the first to complain when .Gov gets all heavy handed and censors/filters and monitors the internet.

It is no different to shops fitting CCTV to catch regular thieves. If they didn't steal stuff, CCTV wouldn't be needed.
sigh..


The government have been making the biggest ISP's censor /web block .offer porn filters with an opt out policy already, they infact are continuously trying to meddle with something they know little or nothing about but it doesn't stop them

CCTV although can sometimes be a deterrent , it's real purpose is much different with our power hungry control freaks called government , we live in a surveillance society
The current proposed legislation /bill for ISP's to retain browsing data for all customers for 12mths and the other one calling for a ban on all encryption that the security services are unable to decrypt, so that all online shopping transactions, banking and the like, open to a man in the middle attack , they have gone stark raving mad it's true the lunatics are running the asylum

This if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear is nonsense if it isn't then you wont mind sharing in public your bank details and cc account details with the cv numbers and expiry dates will you, after all nothing to fear ,right?

How about our rights to privacy what happened there? this bs they are attempting to bring into law isn't going to stop criminals and terrorists plotting their next attack or communicating secretly with each other, but it will have a profound effect on the normal law abiding citizens

As for copy right infringement , that is insignificant compared to our right to privacy
it was revealed not so long ago that copy right infringement (downloading of and sharing) wasn't the major cause of their assumed losses in revenue, but it had more to do with the work and what people thought of that work, obviously not enough to buy it

Edited by tommy45 (Sat 21-Nov-15 14:44:51)

Standard User dragon2611
(experienced) Sun 29-Nov-15 13:13:31
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In reply to a post by BatBoy:
Low bandwidth ISP's use the copyright=theft argument to justify throttling.


Maybe, Maybe not depends on area connectivity ease of upgrading.etc

Sure some ISP's just want to milk as much money from users as possible and don't want to pay for upgrades, but in some cases particularly in rural locations upgrading backhaul or the access network is prohibitively expensive. Particularly for wireless ISP's where they're limited on what spectrum they can use.

Yes faster routers, radios.etc are becoming available all the time but it's often a lot more complex to upgrade parts of a network than just plonking in new bit of kit.

It's a massive balancing act between cost of infrastructure and how much the customers are willing to pay.

Most ISP's don't actually give a damn what you do with the connection as long as they're not getting abuse reports and you're not causing a problem for other users in the area. There might be all sorts of stuff in the T&C's but that's because it's written by lawyers to cover themselves.

If you're asking for an ISP to condone the use of Bittorent/p2p then no of course they're not going to do so but equally I doubt they're going to be going out proactively looking for p2p users either, if you get a copyright letter from your ISP it's because someones complained/filed an abuse report and most likely they'll send you a warning letter so they can say they've done their bit and that will be the end of it as far as they are concerned. That is unless someone issues them a court order to disclose who had the IP at that time.

Edited by dragon2611 (Sun 29-Nov-15 13:14:16)

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