I agree upnp can be bad, plus vpn would be a bit pointless compared to getting a static.
Edit: Though the point about devices being hacked would also preclude setting anything up manually for remote access and people who want to, will find that their hyperoptic internet is less functional than a "normal" internet connection.
On punching out, I've found it varies between games. The examples I gave of hosting and p2p voice just don't seem to work well/at all for some without upnp or port forwarding/dmz for a single device. The consoles themselves may function, but will warn about restricted access - which is not what you should see as a customer that bought a product advertised for gaming. If you have multiple consoles you have to use upnp for all of them to get open nat (only tested with xbox).
My other post in this thread was calling out what I see as misleading advertising = don't say things like best for gaming when you need to add a fiver a month for that to be true.
Edited by legume (Fri 04-Nov-16 10:48:29)