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Standard User Bob_s2
(member) Thu 27-Sep-12 08:54:02
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[re: mixt] [link to this post]
 
Simple answer may be to let them in the first time. After that visit write to TVL telling them they have confirmed that you have no TV and that further threating letters fromthem and or vistits from them will be regarded asd harressement and will be reported to the police. THat approach normally stops them..
Standard User Bob_s2
(member) Thu 27-Sep-12 08:58:30
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[re: FRS_Plunderer] [link to this post]
 
TV Dector vans can work but it would be very difficult and in some xcase impossible to get a fix on the location of a TV in a built up area.It also takes quite a bit of time to do so. Most vans they had in any case were dummies and they just drove themaround the streets to get people to buy TV licences. THey even ent as far as having the aerial on the van rotating. Well it looked as if it was doing something. THey even knoked on a few doors at randomas well usually with the aerial pointing toward the house they were visiting. It was all part of the bluff
Standard User Bob_s2
(member) Thu 27-Sep-12 09:01:59
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[re: greenglide] [link to this post]
 
In all probabiliy at some timer in the future(assuming the TVC licence is still in place) a licence will be required for watching TV programes on the Internet live or not.

At present they are not really bothered as most people have a TV licence & TV so even if they watch on the Internet they are covered in any case but with the growth in HS Broadband and more people ditching TV's the situation will almost certainly change


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Standard User Bob_s2
(member) Thu 27-Sep-12 09:04:46
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[re: tommy45] [link to this post]
 
Not totally correct the BBC are the body that have the duty of collecting the TV licence fees in practise they sub contract it out
Standard User Bob_s2
(member) Thu 27-Sep-12 09:07:44
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[re: 4M2] [link to this post]
 
You cannot be prosectued for just having equipment capable of recieving TV programes. It may be that youhad recorded TV programes on your VCR which would be evidence that you were actually using it to watch live programes(Recording on a VCR in law is the same as watcing it on TV)
Standard User Bob_s2
(member) Thu 27-Sep-12 09:09:29
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[re: FRS_Plunderer] [link to this post]
 
Not correct.A VCR counts as receiving equipment. If he had recorded TV programes on it then that is evidence of using it to watch live tv(The recording of live TV counts in law as the same as weatching it live)
Standard User Bob_s2
(member) Thu 27-Sep-12 09:14:20
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[re: 4M2] [link to this post]
 
It is an unknow.
At present the number of people who dont have a TV and watch TV on the internet is minimal but with HS broadband becoming widespread the numbers may well become signficant and hence the TV licence would be extended to watching TV live or not on the Internet. The other option is the TV licence goes and the BBC becomes suscription with the cost of the bBC radio stations being covered from general taxation
Standard User 4M2
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 27-Sep-12 12:50:41
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In reply to a post by GeeTee:
I would suggest you probably don't want to be the first to have that nuance clarified by a court. As time is essentially infinite "virtually the same time" is an utterly meaningless clarification. The same century could be argued to be "virtually the same time" depending on perspective - however a court should throw that particular argument out on its ear. But for starting watching a programme as it is still being aired albeit with a delayed start - I wouldn't be so sure on a rational decision from the court.

My advice would be stick to pure catch-up after the programme has finished airing as that is clearly and unambiguously outwith license requirements.


If one goes to the the BBC news web site then there is a written warning beneath the video screen that to watch the news channel a licence is required, however if one uses the iPlayer to watch the restart of a currently broadcast programme there is no such warning...
Standard User mixt
(experienced) Thu 27-Sep-12 13:18:09
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I would say that because the phrase "live restart" has the word "live" in it, you would require a TV license.

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Standard User mixt
(experienced) Thu 27-Sep-12 13:26:31
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Maybe "on-demand elements of services such as i-Player" don't include the new restart feature? However such restarted programmes would not actually be "live" which is implied by "at the same time (or virtually the same time) as the programmes are being broadcast" quoted in the Terms of Use above.

On-demand is what it says. You are able to request a re-play/re-transmission of a program when ever YOU want to (on demand). A live service is clearly not the same. You are limited to start watching a program on or "shortly after" the time they broadcast it (live).

If you want to think about it another way, I presume (having not researched "live-restart") that the broadcast stream is buffered in the receiving equipment. The equipment still had to receive it LIVE in order to then buffer it, right? So, by definition, that requires a TV license.

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