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Three have now implemented Traffic management that basically turns your device into an modem (0.2mb) for 7 days but they have not disclosed what heavy use is (but i guess the 50gb-100gb users may no longer be be able to do that any more at peak times, that do abuse it a lot)
http://support.three.co.uk/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBISAPI.DLL...
http://support.three.co.uk/mobiledocs/Support/Signal...
or google three traffic management
or on the three site > Support. / Signal & coverage. / Network problems. / Traffic management.
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I guess this is for the all-you-can-eat plans (One Plan) as others have hard usage caps.
Seems fair enough to me.
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Lol they made a mistake in that PDF.
256 KBps 256 kilo bytes per second, that's 2Mbps (megabits per second)
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be OK if that is the limit thought 2mb is way better then 0.2mb
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Yeah but it won't be 2Mbps as that too high so there would be no point in the limit, they mean 0.2Mbps / 256kbps.
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you are right as I tend to only get 1mb ish around where i am on three
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Just getting a connection that lasts longer than 3 minutes would be an improvement for me. Apparently due to Congestion.
Though a speed reduction to 2mbs would be half what I used to get.
But if this is based upon the theoretical maximum of 24 the system should support, then yes it would be a penalty.
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Given 3G is the only broadband option here, when I read the thread title I thought "Yes... finally. Great. We're not going to have half a dozen users running P2P leeching all the limited bandwidth away"
The information at the first link doesn't seem entirely clear to me as to whether this affects us or not (PAYG, using about 7GB per month)
"The vast majority of our customers will not experience this, but we do manage the traffic of the very highest data users (top 5%) in the busiest areas, where lots of people are connecting to our network at once."
I suspect I'm actually one of perhaps three regular users of that cell ("area"?) and potentially the heaviest user overall given that it's our home broadband connection and it's connected 24/7 (though, not downloading 24/7)
Our main usage is during the day 9am - 5pm (web, ftp) and used to be a solid 6Meg down 1.5Meg up all the time regardless of time of day (it can run to 11Meg+ but that would need a HSPA+ router and ours is only HSPA)
The speed has dipped lately down to about 5Meg but today it seems faster than it was, and the latency has dropped back down to the 40ms to 60ms region whereas it was nudging up towards 80. Wonder when this came in, and if it's related.
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That explains why my speeds have dropped off. I am on the £15/month AYCE Plan. Any alternatives out there that doesn't have traffic management for the same sort of money?
I only get around 1.2Mb on my landline so have been using the phone for downloads.
Hopefully FTTC will be available here next month
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If you are a heavy user, or require very high speeds then wait for FTTC. Sounds like you don't have to wait long at all.
There are alternatives, although designed for M2M applications that can even offer higher usage and even a static public IP however these will be a lot more expensive and use the same network via a MVNO solution.
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The said march for FTTC then its June so difficult knowing what to believe. What about Giff Gaff £10/month unlimited internet ?
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Giff Gaff use O2's network, which is by far the most congested network with the poorest 3G coverage. Still if you live in an area where there is low take up and strong 3G coverage from O2's network then it may be ok. I would however expect O2 to give priority to their own direct customers in times of congestion and I'd not be surprised if GG have some traffic management.
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Some win, some lose perhaps  ADSL is useless here too.
3 is absolutely flying along here today. There are three of us using the connection so I can't do a reliable speed test (the router tops out @ 7.2Meg anyway), but the pings are much lower than they were.
When the performance died before and I mistakenly blamed contention (actually, the USB dongle had failed) I tried all the other networks we can get here. None performed better than 3 Meg down or 1.5 Meg up, despite a strong signal on Orange which was the best alternative. Though of course performance is extremely localised.
Whether PAYG or contract I couldn't find any operator other than 3 prepared to provide e.g. 10GB+/mo for the same sort of money (if we use > 7GB then we just buy another £25 block of 7GB, with other operators it was a "hard cap" for the month or buying extra at a punitive price)
Closest I got was an offer from Orange which would have involved buying lots of bolt-ons and ran to well over £100/mo at the time. Only 3 seem to tolerate heavy users.
AAISP offer the 3 service as a business broadband service with a dongle, and it can have a static IP. You don't even want to know how much it costs if you burn through 10GB/mo.
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I have had over 10Meg here in the past but based on my usage they are most definitely applying the traffic management. I had a usb dongle in the past with a phone sim in it but they locked it for data use so then I switched to using a phone & pdanet, which has worked flawlessly , until this weekend
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This was bound to happen, the amount of data shifting through their network is phenomenal. Check out their blog.
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problem with Giffgaff is that there unlimited is no longer really unlimited if you use more then 750MB each day your risking an data ban (no warning)
around where i am O2 is very good compared to Three is way over congested to the point basic phone services is an issue (phone thinks its connected to the network when its not takes about 1 min for the phones to work out that its not connected then re-connects) coverage inside houses is also an issue as well with Three as they do not overlap that masts as much as other networks do so my house for an example is an dead spot i have 3 3UK masts around me but all just in range of the house (-105 or worse touching the phone stops the internet from working) but most places i go Three just does not cut in indoors (if your out in green belt it norm works fine)
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Can concur with that experience. 3 just doesn't penetrate buildings very well (low frequencies used)
As an example - a dongle upstairs near a window can hit 11Mbps. Downstairs it doesn't even get a signal.
Tried 3 for voice - really wanted it to work. No signal downstairs in the house, fine upstairs. No signal at major motorway services. "No Network" is remarkably common compared to every other network I've ever used - seems really odd in this day and age to be somewhere suburban and have no network at all.
And to back up your point O2 is a weak signal, but even though it's slow here thanks to that, it always gets some signal just about everywhere.
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Three use the 2100Mhz spectrum and have turned off Orange roaming services in certain/most areas meaning that 3G signal propagation can be an issue.
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3 Use the higest frequencies in use for 3g hence poor in building coverage.
2100mhz 3g all networks
1800mhz 2g orange and t mobile (plus o2 and voda)
900mhz 2g o2 and vodafone
900mhz 3g o2 (voda?) lowest 3g frequency used and best in building penetration
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But it does not help three space there masts to far from each other
O2 have only just started using 900 band with the 2100mhz band (not sure what the normal band they use)
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3 and T-Mobile have the same mast spacing and are the closest together of all the UK networks. By virtue of the fact they have more than anyone else, they also overlap more than anyone else.
O2 scored the highest average speed of all 3G networks across the country in OFCOM's one and only national study to date.
Edited by qasdfdsaq (Mon 21-May-12 18:46:26)
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compared to Orange, t-mobile has less coverage then orange (even t-mobile coverage map that shows orange and t-mobile side by side agrees with me) not that it matters now as Orange and t-mobile share masts so at my house all my t-mobile phones prefer orange as 3 and t-mobile are sharing the same mast that is just in range of my house
the amount of O2 Pole masts i drive past is a lot
O2 in general I found have best overall coverage as long as your not on or close to an motorway, 2g coverage seems the best and on top of that O2 seem to be the Only network Bothering to build more masts to fill in dead spots (Pole masts are popping up all around where i am in Warrington the mast is inside the top of the pole so most do not even know what they are so less resistant's from locals)
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Do you happen to know if GiffGaff SIM's can use O2's new 3G on 900Mhz?
I'd probably change back to an O2 network MVNO once my three contract ends. Would be nice to be able to use my phone inside, lol.
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if there is 3g900 coverage where you are you be able to use it and your phone must support 3g900 as well
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If Vodafone iron out their 3G bugs their 900Mhz network may end up being better than O2's.
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hmm they changed it to TrafficSense (its still traffic management thought renaming it does not change that o yer they also now Dropped it from 256KBps to 100KBps (100KB/s)
but at least it only affects p2p (if I am reading it correctly)
http://support.three.co.uk/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBISAPI.DLL...
http://support.three.co.uk/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBISAPI.DLL...
below is the New PDF file (the old one in my first post still works at the moment with the old traffic management )
http://support.three.co.uk/mobiledocs/Support/Signal...
they Still have not stated what is the abuse limit is
maybe Three have now Implemented DPI to try to prevent tethering on PAYG (VPN bypass ) as before it only was blocked if the phone was Three Branded
Edited by leexgx (Thu 24-May-12 22:40:05)
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problem with Vodafone is i cant seem to see an good deal with Vodafone every thing seems expensive with them (they have the best 2g coverage thought as they norm work anywhere in the UK why most GPS track systems use them)
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Got a dongle with 15GB limit, last 2 months managed 4 GB & 1.6 GB due to Emitter & contention problems. Just getting a connection for more than 3 minutes is a bonus, only consolation is I got 2 months refund, for phone & dongle contracts.
nb it might say newbie, Been building PCs since 386SX25 late 80's
My network is VM 30 (soon to be 60) VMDG 480 Gigabit router 2 x cat5e cables to work room, one for gigabit to 8 port switch, second N WiFi router in dual channel mode 300 mbit/sec & other devices, the other for 10/100 to 16 port switch (runs at 200mbit according to the spec sheet) Printer etc.
Edited by bigluap (Sat 09-Jun-12 17:48:37)
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