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Standard User MikeJG
(regular) Thu 12-Oct-17 17:46:40
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Best 4G router/external antenna?


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Hey there, so my village isn't going to get decent broadband for at least 18 months i'd say, we've just got a quote from bt via community fibre partnership and we are currently trying to get funding for it.

Anyways i borrowed my friends EE 4G router with an EE sim and i stuck it in my window upstairs and i was receiving around 20-30Mbps down and 1Mbps up and 45-55ms ping, way better than my 0.5Mbps down fixed line speed.
I tried online gaming but was unable to for some reason if anyone has any ideas let me know.
I was wondering what is the best 4G router to get? along with an external antenna.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 12-Oct-17 19:05:24
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Online gaming should work, certainly does when I test by tethering to tablet with an EE SIM in it.

On best routers - the EE 4G Home may be best for the price.

There is this Zyxel device at £129 and that is dual band Wi-Fi and the power supply is just a 5V USB one, so could power device from a USB battery pack during a power cut.

Have checked and it does the 800 and 1800 MHz bands you want for 4G with EE

If you want/need external antenna, then the Huawei 4G routers sometimes have this option, the B390-S is a fairly old device that has that and the right bands (there may be a load of ex Relish 4G kit around so always check the bands of each device before ordering)

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Standard User MikeJG
(regular) Thu 12-Oct-17 19:35:23
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Hi MrSaffron, thanks for the reply. I was thinking about getting one of thehuawei 4g router, as they are a good shape/size to put on a window. See the 150MBPS one, will that only do 1/8 of the speed so like 18.75Mbps?

My plan was to just buy a router first and a couple of sims, one from EE and Three just to get an idea of how much usage i'll need per month, i'm not sure if Three works in my area but EE does for sure. So i may end up returning my router and getting the EE 4G Home router if i sign up to there contract, you can connect a external antenna to it right?


Is there a way to find out where my closest 4G towers are?

sorry for all the questions.


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Standard User Rolandrat
(committed) Thu 12-Oct-17 20:14:30
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I use a Netgear LB1110, and then bought a external antenna from Amazon

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00L57AL10/ref=o...

I only use it as a failover plugged into WAN2 of my main router, but its been rock solid for 6 months +
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 12-Oct-17 20:14:44
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Why do you say 1/8th?

The 4G should max out at 150 Mbps if all is well, other units can go faster.

The Wi-Fi side though is only 802.11 b/g/n so its possible the 4G might actually be faster than the Wi-Fi and given the congestion in the 2.4 GHz band if buying anything wireless these days its best to go for dual band. Of course you can skip that if you are happy adding an external wireless access point connected via Ethernet

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Standard User MCM
(knowledge is power) Thu 12-Oct-17 21:26:16
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1/8th. Could this be comparing bits with bytes.
Standard User MikeJG
(regular) Fri 13-Oct-17 17:44:08
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I thought a Megabit was an eighth of a Megabyte.
That why i was thinking a 150MB router would just do an eighth of the speed.

I seen that the EE 4G Home router had 2 connections, either 2.4Gz and a 5GHz, so connecting to the 5GHz one will provide the best speed?
Standard User MikeJG
(regular) Fri 13-Oct-17 17:48:01
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Thanks for the info.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 13-Oct-17 18:46:12
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The 150 router is 150 Mega bits per second

5 GHz will usually give a faster Wi-Fi connection assuming you are close enough, 2.4 GHz has a better range generally but less speed

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Standard User MikeJG
(regular) Fri 13-Oct-17 19:11:20
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Ah, that makes sense.

2.4GHz may be better for me as i live in a large house.
Standard User drmikehunthertz
(newbie) Fri 13-Oct-17 19:15:41
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I use a TP-Link MR6400 connected to a dual yagi (45 deg angle from each other) and I get solid 60Mbps down/30Mbps up on the Three network probably could get more with a shorter coax cable, so try to get the router as close to the antennas as possible and then run ethernet to an AP if necessary.

If you're going with EE I'd use a Huawei B525 cat6 router (£150) with either a Poyting XPOL1/XPOL2 (£90/£170) or dual yagi kit (£115), mounted on the roof or as high as possible.

If you already get a good signal without an antenna then I'd get an omni (Poyting) antenna.

(All prices were from amazon)

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Standard User MikeJG
(regular) Fri 13-Oct-17 20:42:53
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Thinking about getting this router any thoughts? Is the B525 worth the extra £100?

Like i said in an earlier post i was using a EE 4G home router and just tried it in one window and was receiving over 20Mbps download but only around 1Mbps upload. I think the XPOL1 would be the easiest to try if i decide i want to try and improve my signal, the only downside is that it has a fixed 5m cable which means it's not the best for positioning. Is the XPOL 2 and omi directional antenna?
Standard User drmikehunthertz
(newbie) Fri 13-Oct-17 21:14:37
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Does the EE router have antenna ports?
Standard User MikeJG
(regular) Fri 13-Oct-17 22:18:52
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Yes it does, the one i was using had 2 antennas similar to this
Standard User drmikehunthertz
(newbie) Fri 13-Oct-17 23:12:40
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Have you checked in settings that the router is set to 4G only?
Standard User MikeJG
(regular) Sat 14-Oct-17 09:54:41
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I didn't when i had it, my friend has taken it back now. Is that an option for all 4G routers?
Standard User drmikehunthertz
(newbie) Sat 14-Oct-17 16:46:41
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Yes it is, unless you have a very good 4G signal it will generally always opt for 3G like phones do causing you to receive much slower speeds.

I'm not sure if the EE router has that option so you might want to ask him to check and perhaps borrow again.
Standard User MikeJG
(regular) Sun 15-Oct-17 10:05:47
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Do you know a website that'll show where the closest mobile towers are?
Also is there a way to find out what my 4G down/up speed is without doing a speedtest? When i borrowed my friends router and i did a speetest on the ookla speedtest app it said i was using over 50MB of data per speed test, does it actually use this much date?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 15-Oct-17 12:34:49
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Cell towers - there used to be, but got more and more out of date so less use than in years past.

On speed tests, depends on the site, if your speed is 40 Mbps down, then our test will use 40 MB in the downstream direction since we limit test length to 8 seconds. Rises to 80 MB if using the full single and multiple thread test, and a similar sum for the upload.

Some testers run for considerably longer times so may chew even more data.

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 15-Oct-17 12:50:18
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In reply to a post by MikeJG:
Do you know a website that'll show where the closest mobile towers are?

O2 show the masts on their coverage map. Many of these will be shared with Vodafone now. Three and EE and Voda have no official map. The Ofcom map was discontinued.

There is a third party map which relies on crowd sourced input, people in the area with android phones running an app as they go around their town. The app then uploads the measurements and the site works out where the masts are. -> www.cellmapper.net

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Standard User drmikehunthertz
(newbie) Sun 15-Oct-17 16:15:10
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https://www.mastdata.com

You may need to register (free) to get more data on the masts.
Standard User hoopla
(member) Wed 01-Nov-17 19:58:48
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The Android app Network Signal Info Pro seems pretty good. It shows you details of the cells your phone has connected to. I don't think the free version will do what you want, but it isn't expensive.
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