Hi Bill

Thanks for all the info. I however have little if any say in this as the KCC are involved and the WHOLE village will also be invited to review the few proposals that KCC and CBN term as feasible both on cost and technically. It is likely that BT will submit something and should this be FTTC (or even the more unlikely FTTH) allowing the normal selection of competitive broadband packages (eventually?) then I see this as the most desirable solution. (even with the hate I have for BT!)

Sorry I've not had time to call however I've been busy all evening, and now need to drive home and get some sleep!

Regards,
Tim

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Edited by 5km (Thu 20-Aug-09 22:43:46)

Is www.intcoms.co.uk your really web site or is there one that has been updated in the last decade!?

I don't mean to be rude however an IT company that can't put together a decent web site is a very bad start with me.

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Re: Our Website.

The Website was produced as a training excercise many years ago, by a firm we had a JV with in Minsk, Belarus, I had forgotten all about it. We only work on recommendations and never advertise. I will correct this site in case any one else looks.

You will not find any adverts concerning our business anywhere. When we receive and enquiry through a recommendation, we normally convert over 95% to sales. I dare you to look for any advert about us

If anyone wants a day out in Lyndhurst on me, to view an FTTH 1000 Mbit/s network just let me know. I know of none other in the UK.

Concerning BT and FTTC, I have never seen BT quote under £ 200 K for an FTTC link. The Hambleden Area quote was between £ 350 K and £ 1.5 M. One of the BT Directors lives in the village, they are hoping he will help, but it seems he has his own "trial" connection.

Regards



Bill Mabey
Unit 88
Capital business Centre
22 Carlton Road
Souith Croydon
CR2 0BS

Tel 0208 916 2272
E-mail bill.mabey@intcoms.co.uk

Hi Bill and all,

I read your post about the obstructive nature of councils and the ongoing issue that BT are viewed as "doing ok"..

The big problem is, councils as well as many people do not understand that Broadband is a BT "product" and not something they are comitted to provide (like voice lines).

ADSL is a commercial product from a commercial company, just like any other.. However the popular view above means they regularly abuse this position with the aid of the ignorant Councils and somehow manage to gain considerable funding to compete against a far more cost effective and superior solution. (wireless (not wifi) or Fibre etc..)

The result as you state is the far superior solutions never get there and at least half of the user base of the exchange get a poor or no service still..

I do hope the government remains technology impartial with the big "broadband for all" campaign but i personally very much doubt it..

Kent council maybe an exception, will be interesting to see how it goes..

Bill Lewis - MD
Kijoma Broadband - (Division of Kijoma Solutions Ltd)
High Speed Wireless broadband ISP
The UK's top rated Wireless ISP 2005 - 2008 - ISP Review
Top 5 finalist in best UK wireless ISP - ISPA's 2008
Members of the Internet Service Providers association (www.ISPA.org.uk)
http://www.kijoma.net

Hi Bill

Have you seen these beauties that Ubiquiti has just launched?

Are they legal for UK use and what do you think, capable of delivering fast enough and reliable enough wireless broadband?

Any ideas how they would cope with trees, i.e. will the 2x2 MIMO and TDMA protocol help?

Regards,
Tim

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Dear All,

I was expecting a a large response for a free day out to view the beginnings of a 1000 Mbit/s FTTH network.

Unlike the Ebbsfleet FTTH solution where 1000 Mbit/s is shared by around 32 users BT will use GPON technology ( Gigabit Passive Optical Technology). Our network is structured so that each subscriber receives an individual 1000 mbit/s link, using two fibres for ease of maintenance.

Each link can then be easily upgraded to 10,000 Gbit/s and beyond, with no problems or downtime for other network users.

I promise to serve all customers in the area who require service using FTTH should our Company be awarded the contract, just like we stated in the BT Exchange enablement tenders.

I have passed the information on regarding the wireless equipment, and will try to get a fair evaluation on it.

All I can say about wireless delivery, is that unfortunatly trees and the weather do affect service. The last Regional Tender Award that I know of was Hatherden in North Hampshire. To be fair the Tender was advertised as " can you do the job for
£ 10,000" and a Company responded.

I will give them credit, as they did try, however there were too many trees and the backhaul radio link also proved to unreliable for the same reason. In the end a "New Tender" gave the job to BT as an Exchange Enablement. It turned our that BT wanted the money not to Broadband Exchance Enablement but to provide a new three phase supply to the existing rural exchange.

A lot of money has been spent on wireless network rollouts, however if they work well, the problem is that they only serve a small amount of customers. If equipment goes down then the cost of repairs tends to be high and the network shuts down, because they cannot find the money.

These BT Exchange Enablement Tenders I have been informed work out on average to be in the region of £ 35,000 per rural Exchange ( the official view ), I do know of Exchange Enablements that have cost over £ 45,000 each.

At a meeting in London of the Government Advisery Commuttee sent abroad to study foreign FTTH deployment, I was told that BT had received in one form or another 5 Billion Pounds to provide Broadband coverage. To me this money has been wasted.

What should have happened was that BT should have operated under the same terms and conditions as they do now, with a universal service obligation for both Phone and Broadband service.

If this had been done then the 5 Billion Pounds would have been more than enough to get upto ,and past Lord Carters 2012 plan. and everybody would by now have at least 2 Mbit/s service. As matters stand the 50 p levy will not be enough to reach the first plan by 2012.

There is also an historical problem BT has. When the first underground Cables networks were deployed, Building were built not to provide local telephone service, but to house cable repeaters ( the old overhead open span cables are not reliable and expensive to maintain), later when BT ( then called the GPO ) commenced local telephone services, they used these buildings for Telephone Equipment, howerver they were usually too far from the residential areas they served. BT could have still resolved the situation by retaining the small UAX ( Unmanned Automatic Exchange ) Exchange Buildings and used them for Broadband delivery. But in a grab for Profits All these UAX building were sold off, along with a lot of Exchanges.(I am told thy make good holiday homes).

Hambleden is a classic example. BT sold the local Exchange ( it was convertede to a home) and transferred service to Henley on Thames, Now the residents are have lines 9 or 10 Km long., far too far for any service. BT wants £ 350,000 as a grant to provide limited service.

I do not know if is is generally known that BT to keep itself afloat sold off all it's sites bar two, the Post Office Tower and Goonhilly. It received 2.2 Billion Gounds and now has to rent the sites back. The property Company, now wants sites closed and the land released to make money putting more pressure on BT and Broadband rollout.

Kent CC need to be congratulated in their approach to these tenders, they key is the use of their Public Service Network.


Any takers for the visit, naturally lunch will be included as it is a long way.

Regards

Bill Mabey

Internal Communication Systems
Unit 88
Capital Business Centre
22 Carlton Road
South Croydon
CR2 0BS

Tel: 020 8916 2272
E-mail: bill.mabey@intcoms.co.uk

I also personally visited one of the 14 R&D institutes employing around 35,00 persons in China to study future netwoks. Apparently this Committee also visited one of these R&D facitities to China. At this meeting I was informed that BT had received around 5 Billion Pounds



I did look various

hi,

I cant say i agree with your comments re wireless networks..

Ours cover 1000's of square kilometers with a couple of aerials, i would challenge any fibre company to go fit out that size area within say a budget of £3000 and given a few weeks to do it . ALL our customers get the service level they signed up to.

The weather does NOT affect wireless (not wifi) systems, not those that have been designed properly and have the proper signal fade margins etc.. This is a common myth.

Trees are an issue but if i took you on a tour of our networks you would see we have some serious tree cover and have designed out the problem.

Wireless may not do Gigabit (well it does but not over such a large area) but it is very cost effective to implement and provides a superior service to ADSL lines.. with ADSL like pricing..

The project you refer to in Hatherden was done by Internet village broadband.. they used 2.4 GHz wifi mesh which is a useless technology, they also set up a similar doomed network in Silchester in Hants and Plaistow in West Sussex. Both of these networks were eventually taken over by Kijoma , dismantled and replaced with a proper carrier class wireless solution with the speeds we offer on our website and the prices.

Its alright offering 1000Mbps to each house, but is it what people need?, especially if it has a high cost penalty? . Look at the battle the TV/DVD companies are having trying to persuade people they need HD, when half of them probably have TV sets that don't even show SD at its full resolution and they are quite happy with it.

One day we will all need gigabit to the door, but its not going to affordably happen for some years, especially in the thousands of small enclaves of population who's exchanges resemble garden sheds. Even then it will be a battle to persuade people they need it, like it was a battle to get people to take up broadband from dial up in the first few years.

The comment about finding money is a bit rich too, if you pardon the pun. the overheads of running a wireless network are not very high (again if it is built on solid foundations to start with). Kijoma for one was started on its own funding and has remained in profit since day one. no investors or external capital. Maintenance issues are minimal.

As far as i am aware BT have no obligation to provide broadband, it is a commercial service just like yours or mine.. I agree they have had millions of public money thrown at them and for what real outcome? . Why i ask can a commercial company like BT usurp the state aid rules so readily?

As stated before, i do agree with the KCC approach, would be good if they researched and emailed all potential providers in the area though with sufficient time frame to allow a quote.

Cheers

Bill Lewis - MD
Kijoma Broadband - (Division of Kijoma Solutions Ltd)
High Speed Wireless broadband ISP
The UK's top rated Wireless ISP 2005 - 2008 - ISP Review
Top 5 finalist in best UK wireless ISP - ISPA's 2008
Members of the Internet Service Providers association (www.ISPA.org.uk)
http://www.kijoma.net

I am very interested in hearing more about this public money that BT received, along with the conditions that Ofcom applied to you before giving you your code powers.

If you've the time Bill I'll get in touch privately.

Thanks!

Are you stuck on the One Way Internet?

Hi Bill and All,

I can understand what you say about wireless networks, and HD TV's. However the world is moving on. It is a fact that over half the people who have purchased HDTV's connect then to Sky or Cable networks. Each HD Channel requires 19.2 Mbit/s, if you have two HDTV's being used at the same time in a home, then you need 40 Mbit/s. So already Virgins 50 Mbit/s is looking a bit slow. If you use Sky then HDTV service carries a premium of over £ 9.00 + TV package.

The migration to HDTV will take place because the clarity of the picture is much better. Anybody, remember the old 405 line TV's and how much better 625 TV service was with a greater selection of Channels? There will also be a migration to IPTV service where the Choice of Channels is much greater, Kent CC already have their own TV Channel, and these special Channels will undoubtly increase.

Local Community Channels will become the norm. In Lyndhurst the Main Church already has it own 1000 Mbit/s link this will enable services to be relayed to local satellite rural Church's who cannot find or afford a Vicar for services, and elderly residents who cannot now attend Services.

The local Doctors ( where medicare networks have been introduced have saved lives ) will be linked into the Network as will the schools Libraries Job Centres etc. the list is almost limitless. IPTV will be deployed and already residents have asked for a selection of Foreign Channels to be included, a service Sky cannot provide.

With IPTV there is no limit on the channels that can be provided. We are offering IPTV as part of the Tender. We also expect Skype to be a big player, for face to face meetings, using HD type quality.

The basic package price for IPTV delivery including HD delivery will be £14.00. Quite good value when compared to a Basic Sky package. Any free to air service will be provided for free.

The latest IPTV Set Top Box, coupled with a HD TV will allow you to browse the Internet, so if you do pay for IPTV then you can do away with your PC. All your information will be securely stored centrally and upgrates will be automatic. A service the Residents in Lyndhurst are greatly looking forward to.

Then there is the VOIP package that will be included as part of the tender. Everybody knows VOIP service is cheaper, and you will only ever need one FTTH line to feed however many telephone lines your require. Good for business's.

These VOIP lines will be good enough to be able to be used for 999 service, so you could migrate your BT line over to VOIP service save on line rental and get the benefit of cheap calls.

The true power and advantage of FTTH is that it is full duplex, if you have a download speed of 1000 Mbit/s you also have an upload speed of 1000 Mbit/s. for example if you wanted to send wedding picture files to a relative and they themselves have a down load speed of 2 Mbit/s, then they will receive the file relatively quickly.

Gone will be the days of 256 Kbit/s snail upload speeds.

Does anyone really believe that if FTTC is deployed in rural areas as part of the Lord Stephen Carter next generation plan, that these providers will stump up another 19 Billion Pounds to deliver FTTH service? The answer is NO.

You need to migrate to 1000 Mbit/s service now, and FTTH is easily ungradable whilst the oppertunity is offered, or else where do you suggest BT or any other service provider will find 19 Billion Pounds from in 2017.

The residential prices ( including VAT ) for 8 Mbit/s service would be £ 15.00 with a 10 Gbit/s allowance and £ 25.00 for unlimited downloads. The FTTH line rental would be £ 14.00. Reasonable for FTTH.

BT at the Ebbsfleet trial are going to charge £ 28,45 for a 10 Mbit/s download and 2 Mbit/s upload after March 2010. Until March 2010 Openreach is offering the line rental for free.

Bill

So already Virgins 50 Mbit/s is looking a bit slow

But the HD TV doesn't go down the broadband connection ?

Phil

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