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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Wed 09-Mar-11 11:30:42
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BDUK - to the rescue with £60 per property


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I did some reading at :
http://www.culture.gov.uk/images/publications/BDUK_b...

which reveals that the guideline funding from BDUK for solving notspots and / or providing next generation access is a whole £60 per property, though this can be flexed to reflect terrain / population density etc.

£60 is about a third of the cost of an external antenna and wireless receiver (installed) or a fifth of the setup cost of 2-way satellite. 288 * 60 = £17,280 will buy a BT FTTC cabinet on the back of a lorry.

Looks like a lot of extra money from elsewhere is going to be needed to solve problem areas. Co-investment by BT, large install fees from households, local fund raising, EU grants, etc etc. Not going to be easy. Alter a few wills perhaps ?

Phil

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 09-Mar-11 11:48:58
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People have always said £530m plus another £300m in 2015 was not likely to be enough.
Might get the worst 10% of households some form of broadband

By the time local areas have spent man hours getting submissions together, paid for the odd report then most of the money will have been eaten up already.

1/5th of the BDUK fund has gone on five trial areas, and this money to the local authorities. As yet no sign of broadband expertise from BDUK, just lots of project management guff

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Standard User krazykizza
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 09-Mar-11 12:26:52
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One thing I'm seeing is power problems. Exchanges being too small to get Midis in, or even a Mini. Some exchanges will never get FTTC unless the building is extended.

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AOL > Virgin Media > Tiscali > Falconnet > UKFSN > Norfolk Internet
2mbps > Shapped 512k > 1mbps! > 6.5mbps > 4.5mbps > 6.5mbps
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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 09-Mar-11 12:37:48
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Why the exchange?
The digital hub terminology exists it seems to move things away from being exchange based.

£50m is what is up for grabs at the moment, which means small projects all with their own idea on how to do things, so in 3 years there will be 20-30 variants of the digital hub idea, possibly all with different billing/ordering systems. I may be wrong but local led to me suggests a mess that will be driven by one key person who once they move on, things simply stagnate.

BTW ADSL2+ counts as superfast broadband it seems - 'superfast broadband as having a potential headline access speed of at least 20Mbps,'

A new definition of broadband, anything under 512Kbps is deemed not to be broadband.

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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Wed 09-Mar-11 14:07:31
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I wouldn't expect any small projects, as it is "Tier 1 authorities" ie County Councils that are eligible to bid.

Lancaster CC's tender doc requires bidders to have a turnover fo at least £100m pa !!

Phil

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Standard User Lemzip
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 09-Mar-11 18:37:29
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i have seen quotes of 36k for a FTTC cabinet, phil, where did you get that figure or do you really mean back of the lorry tongue
Standard User krazykizza
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 09-Mar-11 19:00:50
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You need the exchange for the MDF obviously, unless a technology gets developed what makes the MDF redundant and moves the MSAN, DSLAM and System X and other required racks into a small container that is cab, or electricity station size. Not to mention LLUs frames.

But at this rate you're never going to get rid of exchanges, just too much kit is required and the setup would need a complete overhaul

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AOL > Virgin Media > Tiscali > Falconnet > UKFSN > Norfolk Internet
2mbps > Shapped 512k > 1mbps! > 6.5mbps > 4.5mbps > 6.5mbps
ADSL Joy. 31db att, 9db SNR, EntaFail.
Standard User krazykizza
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 09-Mar-11 19:02:03
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That quote would probably include the cost of installation and any other works required to get it fitted.

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AOL > Virgin Media > Tiscali > Falconnet > UKFSN > Norfolk Internet
2mbps > Shapped 512k > 1mbps! > 6.5mbps > 4.5mbps > 6.5mbps
ADSL Joy. 31db att, 9db SNR, EntaFail.
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Wed 09-Mar-11 19:32:59
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But at this rate you're never going to get rid of exchanges

until you're running 60km GPON FTTP from just 10 exchanges smile

Phil

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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Wed 09-Mar-11 19:34:01
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what krazy said

I meant "as shipped from China"

Phil

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