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Standard User cymru123
(newbie) Sun 30-Sep-12 17:19:35
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Bring Rural Areas and the Final Third into the Fast lane


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Hi All,

Our exchange is not on the FTTC/H rollout plan but has been upgraded to adsl2+. However the village is approx. 3-4miles away from the exchange and everyone in the village has been moved to the 21cn network but kept on ADSLMax as lines are too long for adsl2+.

Openreach have recently released new dates for the rollout of superfast broadband but still the exchange is not FTTC/H rollout plan.

About the villages


There is No Cabinet and everyone is connected directly by line to the exchange. The line Lengths are between 4.8 - 5.6km long (very long).
As the Adsl2+ upgrade made no difference to the sync speed/ connection received by the community there seems to be no current plan to help the rural area and the final third keep up with the rest of Britain.

The Villages currently receives a download speed between 0.5-2mb. This varies from line to line due to many reasons and factors from different lengths to different line materials and quality.

About the exchange

The Exchange serves approx. 3,076 residential premises and approx. 314 non-residential premises.
Since the exchange went ADSL2+ live and everyone has been upgraded. I know that people near the exchange can get speeds between 17-20mbps, but as you get further away from the exchange it dramatically decreases. Let alone all the surround villages who receive between 0.5 and 2mbps that are served by the exchange that are spread out. The only people who benefit from ADSL2+ are the people who live near the exchange.

About my connection

I have a direct line (EO Line) from the exchange and is 5+km long. I currently get a download speed between 0.9-1.2mbps. After the ADSL2+ line upgrade it took about 6weeks to get it back to normal but got a good 1.2sync connection after a few noise margin resets, profile resets.

The Current Broadband Standard

1) The UK's Broadband Target for 2015 is 2mb
2) The Welsh Government Broadband Target for 2015 is to make a minimum of 30mb accessible to everyone in Wales with some areas receiving 100+mb.
3) The UK The government has promised the best superfast broadband in Europe by 2015.


The Question

1) Do BT Wholesale / Openreach have any plans to bridge the divide between urban and rural broadband? Cities and towns are receiving up to 40-80mb and some getting 100+mb but rural areas and the final third are only getting 0.5-2mb and some not at all.

2) Some villages will be lucky when they do get to upgrade as they already have a cabinet that can be upgraded but when it comes to rural villages that have direct exchange lines what do BT Wholesale and Openreach propose to do?

Some suggestions were: install a FTTC cabinet, Replace the copper overhead wires with FTTH overhead wired, FiWi....

Cheers.

Also Some links that may help people in the same situation:

Some useful Websites (Whole of UK):
You can check when your exchange is going to be upgraded by going to http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/where-and-when/

Some other helpful websites:

1) Register your yourself as a Broadband not/slow spot: http://www.broadband-notspot.org.uk/

2) Look out for local government broadband support like the Welsh Government Broadband Support Scheme

3) look out for local community Broadband Schemes (local community council and local MP's can help)

4) Register your interest for a fibre broadband service. Openreach will then let you know when it is available in your area: http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/expression-gen....

Websites for Welsh Communities:
1) Report your area as a Broadband Slow spot (between 0.5mb-2mb) on The Welsh Government Broadband Support Scheme website: http://wales.gov.uk/topics/businessandeconomy/broadb...

2) If you receive less than 0.5mb then go to The Welsh Government Broadband Not Spot website: https://secure.wales.gov.uk/topics/businessandeconom...

3) Register yourself for the Welsh Government Next Generation Broadband Scheme: http://wales.gov.uk/topics/businessandeconomy/broadb...

4) Register your interest for a fibre broadband service. Openreach will then let you know when it is available in your area: http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/expression-gen....

Edited by cymru123 (Sun 30-Sep-12 17:34:17)

Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sun 30-Sep-12 17:30:49
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Cowbridge exchange - http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/SWCNE
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Mon 01-Oct-12 12:00:42
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everyone in the village has been moved to the 21cn network but kept on ADSLMax as lines are too long for adsl2+
This is an ISP specific issue, ADSL2/2+ delivers higher speeds at long distance although the increase is perhaps 300-500k at the limits. Upstream certainly gets faster.

You then said "After the ADSL2+ line upgrade it took about 6weeks to get it back to normal" so I am a bit confused.

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Phil

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Standard User Bob_s2
(committed) Mon 01-Oct-12 12:05:07
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The simple and quick solution for very rural areas would to me appear to be FTTC and then a WiFi network to serve the homes. THere may be some problems with that in Wales due to the hilly terrain but most homes appear to be in the valleys so should not be to diffecult to get good wireless coverage. THis would bypass the long copper lines
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 01-Oct-12 12:12:01
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If going for WiFi (what ever that is), then why do FTTC, why not just do fibre to the mast, aka what all the WiMax providers and other fixed wireless are doing.

Rolling out WiFi is so 2003, only worth doing for open public areas, like market squares. Penetration into buildings will be poor.

Andrew Ferguson, andrew@thinkbroadband.com
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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 01-Oct-12 12:12:47
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And don't forget that WBC network means even if downstream does not improve the vast majority see their upstream doubling.

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Standard User Bob_s2
(committed) Mon 01-Oct-12 12:22:24
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Fibre to the mast would probably not work wel lin most of Wales due to the rugged hilly terrain. It tends to account for why mobile coverage is poor in much of Wales and why Wales has more TV tranmitters than the whole of England yet still does not get a 100% coverage.. It probably needs a tranmitter to cover a village. Most villages in Wales tend to be in or along the valleys
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 01-Oct-12 12:26:40
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So what is this WiFi solution then?

Why will this work in Wales if fibre to the mast will not?

Andrew Ferguson, andrew@thinkbroadband.com
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Standard User ctv123
(newbie) Mon 01-Oct-12 13:53:30
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Hi
not sure where you are in Wales but have you considered satelitte broadband,the welsh assembly has a grant available for it.
call me on 01766522344 for more information.
Regards
David
Standard User cymru123
(newbie) Mon 01-Oct-12 16:22:59
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You then said "After the ADSL2+ line upgrade it took about 6weeks to get it back to normal" so I am a bit confused.


It seemed that once the exchange was 21cn network (adsl2/2+) upgraded it took a few months till the villages' lines where upgraded to the new exchange hardware as openreach transferred them in batches.

However it also seemed that the upgrade to the new 21cn network caused some people's broadband connection, who have a long line, to become "unsettled" or was achieving a download speed less than they were getting before the upgrade, this could have been down to many reason like the 21cn upgrade being more aggressive to noise on the line, ect.... For my connection it took a few SNR resets as well as some profile resets to get it back to the normal download speed we were achieving before the 21cn upgrade. The process of getting the speed to settle down and back to what it was before took about 6weeks.
It still does sometimes becomes unsettled from time to time but that must be due to the fact that it is a very long line.
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