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Standard User pug205rally
(newbie) Sun 25-Sep-16 13:58:58
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Small community solutions - are they coming


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Would like to understand from those more technically knowledgeable than I (most i assume) if in the raft of new solution options for Broadband being developed, tested or simply thought about if anything is in the ether to support very small user requirements

We are a small group of 9 houses about 5 miles from our local exchange and served via pole all with an average speed of sub 2Mbps and have currently been bypassed in any BDUK roll out. Right now the only option we have appears to be satellite and for numerous reasons none of us are keen on this option.

Open reach have been contacted and asked and have suggested a new cab is needed and quoted a fairly hefty number tor something to be installed which divided by only a few houses is out of our financial means.

We've looked into a simply P2P solution and our geography is not well suited being low lying in the lee of a hill

Appreciate any thoughts if a solution may be in the offing in the future at micro scale
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(staff) Sun 25-Sep-16 14:07:50
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Fibre to the remote node, small 16 line VDSL2 units that can be pole mounted, but cost of power is still and issue and if nearest fibre is 5 miles away the cost of getting that to you.

The cabinet hardware itself was probably the smaller part of the previous estimates with the power and fibre being the bulk.

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Standard User Fastman2
(committed) Sun 25-Sep-16 16:01:14
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the openreach solution likely to be in circa 25 - 50k range - at a minimum due to distance and what newequipment and any additional civils that needs to be done


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Standard User pug205rally
(newbie) Sun 25-Sep-16 19:49:08
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Thanks for the replies today , its appreciated. The numbers quoted in the mail circa £25-50k are about right for us as a first pass estimate with the bottom value nearer £35k.

Not expecting to be able to have a solution anytime soon at these costs but interested in the FTTPdp and will read up on what this actually comprises out of interest.

Who knows what the USO may bring and if we are left only having Satellite as an option not sure what will do. Some 4G is now appearing albeit a weak signal right now so perhaps this becomes the answer
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(staff) Sun 25-Sep-16 23:40:18
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If you can get a weak 4G on a mobile then a 4G router with a small outside antenna on the eaves should improve things. Main issue then is the usage allowances

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Standard User godsell4
(member) Mon 26-Sep-16 11:58:03
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I am in a similar situation to you, right now in the process of finding out where the slow-spots and not-spots are. Like you our first plan is to contact BT. Did you sign up for http://www.communityfibre.bt.com/ ? If not I would do so because I believe doing so is going to be used as a preregistration for any updates under the USO.

The USO is also demand-led, so groups of small properties will again also come last as they have for BDUK.

In the short term, do any of the 9 properties have line of sight view to any property which gets a good +50Mb/s FTTC connection? If so, install a second FTTC line to it and arrange a point to point wireless link to that property and one of the 9 houses, from there distribute that signal via fibre to the other 8 houses. When G.fast is available, in 5 years maybe, update that FTTC line to about 200Mb/s on G.fast, though BT might be able to supply fibre-on-demand to that property at a reasonable cost by then too. Update the point to point radio at that time if needed and maybe install a load balancer at the house which distributes the connection by fibre.

So you have to make a educated guess about what will be available in a few years time in 2020 and try to make sure that any investment you make now is not all thrown away whenever something else looks viable. Which is why I am saying connect the 9 houses via fibre now, so it would only be the point to point wireless link which will be upgraded in the future.

Do post any other thoughts or plans you have and what results you achieve. Also search youtube for 'uknof' and see what other people have done. There is no one right solution.

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Standard User pug205rally
(newbie) Tue 27-Sep-16 19:25:58
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All good points and we have looked at line of sight options and the nearest house with access to a good connection is 2.2km Point to point assuming a reasonable positioning for any wireless solution without any potential interference from foliage in the near future. We are looking to see if anyone down our lane happens to know the occupants of the properties in line of site to further explore this solution .

These houses are <100m from an exchange over rough country and a nature reserve

Our first attempt will be to simply shine a bright light from the location in question back to ourselves to validate our map based assessment one night to ensure we can see the point.
Standard User Fastman2
(committed) Sat 05-Nov-16 15:49:07
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god sell that is completely incorrect that registration is the only way into community fibre team - it is for no other purpose
Standard User nemeth782
(committed) Sat 05-Nov-16 23:47:57
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Ubiqiti have a good online link planner that takes into account height.

https://airlink.ubnt.com/#/

They also do good well priced kit for this, 2.2km is nothing.
Standard User craski
(member) Sun 06-Nov-16 08:56:18
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I've used a pair of Ubiquiti Nanobeams NBE-19-5AC for a 5km link and they are more than capable of handling the full 80/20 FTTC connection we get from that host site. Works a treat and fairly easy to setup and configure.

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